Re: Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: "Jonathan M. Smith" <jms () cis upenn edu>
Date: February 10, 2010 4:42:53 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Good read Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail

Dave:
        I think the issue with faculty and staff are things like the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) -
not sure how the licensing plays with that.
                                                                                                                        
                                -JMS

On Feb 10, 2010, at 4:35 PM, David Farber wrote:

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> From: "Wendy M. Grossman" <wendyg () pelicancrossing net>
> Date: February 10, 2010 3:59:45 PM EST
> To: dave () farber net
> Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] re Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail
> Reply-To: wendyg () pelicancrossing net
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> (For IP if you wish)
>
> I looked into this a bit in December 2008 while I was writing a report for (several layers up the food chain) a 
> British govt agency outlining the business case for switching to Webmail. What I learned:
>
> - the standard Gmail license claims all intellectual property in everything posted to the service. Many universities 
> are concerned about this and some ban their research staff from using Gmail as a result.
>
> - however, universities can and do negotiate different ToS when Gmail/Hotmail is taking over their email provision. 
> So at least some universities feel that signing up with Gmail/Hotmail is a *better* situation than the one they're in 
> now, where profs and students forward stuff to their (consumer) Gmail/Hotmail accounts from their university accounts 
> despite being told they shouldn't do this.
>
> Some comments from the University of Westminster (scroll to end of page) about the risks:
> http://www.wmin.ac.uk/page-16541
>
> - universities and other educational systems are going for Hotmail/Gmail in droves because of the massive cost 
> savings coupled with the ability to give their staff/students far better service (and service that said staff and 
> students are used to at home). Even Cornell, one of the email pioneers, has now switched and is offering students 
> their choice of Hotmail or Gmail.
>
> - Rebecca Gould and Elizabeth Unger of Kansas State University, have argued (I think persuasively) that the most 
> logical course is for universities to get out of the business of offering students email. They suggest limiting it to 
> staff, and giving students access to a secure portal instead. 
> http://connect.educause.edu/Library/EDUCAUSE+Review/ASolutionLookingforaProbl/46614?time=1227745742
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> wg
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> Dave Farber wrote:
> > Wonder who?  Djf Begin forwarded message:
> > > *From:* Roger Dannenberg <rbd () cs cmu edu <mailto:rbd () cs cmu edu>>
> > > *Date:* February 10, 2010 3:15:12 PM EST
> > > *To:* <mailto:dave () farber net>dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>
> > > *Cc:* ip <ip () v2 listbox com <mailto:ip () v2 listbox com>>, <mailto:adikamdar () gmail com>adikamdar () gmail 
> > > com <mailto:adikamdar () gmail com>
> > > *Subject:* *Re: [IP] Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail*
> > >
> > > [for IP if you wish]
> > >
> > > I don't want to name names, but the Gmail license agreement is used by a distinguished law professor in his class 
> > > as an example of something you should stay away from.
> > >
> > > -Roger
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