Re: Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Tony Barrett <tbambarrett () gmail com>
> Date: February 10, 2010 5:09:34 PM EST
> To: wendyg () pelicancrossing net
> Cc: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re:        Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail

> Ms. Grossman (and Dave, for IP if you wish),
>
> I thought Google's terms of service (http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS?hl=en 
> ) explicitly state that users retain copyright and other rights to  
> material they post.  Here are a couple of excerpts from the TOS:
>
> 9.4 Other than the limited license set forth in Section 11, Google  
> acknowledges and agrees that it obtains no right, title or interest  
> from you (or your licensors) under these Terms in or to any Content  
> that you submit, post, transmit or display on, or through, the  
> Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist  
> in that Content (whether those rights happen to be registered or  
> not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). Unless you  
> have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, you agree that you are  
> responsible for protecting and enforcing those rights and that  
> Google has no obligation to do so on your behalf.
>
> 11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in  
> Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the  
> Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give  
> Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non- 
> exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish,  
> publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which  
> you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This  
> licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display,  
> distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain  
> Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
>
> My best,
> Tony Barrett
>
> David Farber wrote:
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > From: "Wendy M. Grossman" <wendyg () pelicancrossing net>
> > > Date: February 10, 2010 3:59:45 PM EST
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] re Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail
> > > Reply-To: wendyg () pelicancrossing net
> > >
> > > (For IP if you wish)
> > >
> > > I looked into this a bit in December 2008 while I was writing a  
> > > report for (several layers up the food chain) a British govt  
> > > agency outlining the business case for switching to Webmail. What  
> > > I learned:
> > >
> > > - the standard Gmail license claims all intellectual property in  
> > > everything posted to the service. Many universities are concerned  
> > > about this and some ban their research staff from using Gmail as a  
> > > result.
> > >
> > > - however, universities can and do negotiate different ToS when  
> > > Gmail/Hotmail is taking over their email provision. So at least  
> > > some universities feel that signing up with Gmail/Hotmail is a  
> > > *better* situation than the one they're in now, where profs and  
> > > students forward stuff to their (consumer) Gmail/Hotmail accounts  
> > > from their university accounts despite being told they shouldn't  
> > > do this.
> > >
> > > Some comments from the University of Westminster (scroll to end of  
> > > page) about the risks:
> > > http://www.wmin.ac.uk/page-16541
> > >
> > > - universities and other educational systems are going for Hotmail/ 
> > > Gmail in droves because of the massive cost savings coupled with  
> > > the ability to give their staff/students far better service (and  
> > > service that said staff and students are used to at home). Even  
> > > Cornell, one of the email pioneers, has now switched and is  
> > > offering students their choice of Hotmail or Gmail.
> > >
> > > - Rebecca Gould and Elizabeth Unger of Kansas State University,  
> > > have argued (I think persuasively) that the most logical course is  
> > > for universities to get out of the business of offering students  
> > > email. They suggest limiting it to staff, and giving students  
> > > access to a secure portal instead. http://connect.educause.edu/Library/EDUCAUSE+Review/ASolutionLookingforaProbl/46614?time=1227745742
> > >
> > > wg
> > > www.pelicancrossing.net



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