Re: no poison for Joplin

[Mike Preston <mike () technomonk com>]

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On 01/06/11 08:15, Gadi Evron wrote:
> On 6/1/11 10:04 AM, Gadi Evron wrote:
> > On 6/1/11 7:02 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
> > > (Which makes sense, really - prisons are for people who refuse to
> > > follow rules, and that's one of the big criteria for sociopathy).
> > >
> > > So when we say "spammers should be in jail", that's basically labeling
> > > them as sociopaths that need removing from society.
> >
> > In Criminology the term "sociopath" isn't used, the term "psychopath"
> > is. To say Spammers which may be anywhere on the scale of "misguided" to
> > "soulless criminal" are actually psychopaths is nothing but empty
> > demagogy. So while it may be easy to use precise terminology - we should
> > avoid it when we don't understand it. These things have definitions.
> >
> > Not every anti-social behaviour can be defined as an extreme one (read:
> > personality disorder - still hate that term). The simplification on
> > Wikipedia for this term is very poor indeed.
> >
> > This needs to be clearly defined by the DSM or ICD, and even then it's gray.
>
> One more thing, in order for the behaviour to be extreme enough to be 
> considered even "just" a personality disorder, it needs to be pervasive. 
> Meaning - in every walk of life. Toward the cashier at the store, their 
> family and their boss. Not limited to one part of their lives.
>
> Such pervasiveness and extreme bahviour is not something which is easily 
> seen.

I've not posted for a while, (I bet some of you thought I'd gone for
good - well tough :P ) but 6 months ago I ended a relationship with a
girl with a personality disorder. I agree with Gadi here, this isn't any
of your normal behaviour, this is a pervasive issue that affects all
parts of their life... right down to even sabotaging relationships.

When we first met it took her a few weeks to tell me that she had an
'issue' without many further details and because I loved her I said I
would stand by her, but it was so bad at times that it forced *me* into
depression and I found that I am just not able to stand by her even if I
wanted to.

I am normally a fairly positive person and before this I thought I could
cope with almost anything, but really without being there, you have no idea.

I think the saddest thing about extreme behavior is that unless you live
with them long term, you are unlikely to see the full extent of the
problems. The doctors don't and so the fight goes on to try to find some
meds that control her issues based on the limited information they have
to go on.

Mike

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
>
>       Gadi.
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