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Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:43:33 -0400
You want "curmudgeon"? I'll give ya curmudgeon... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:27:43PM -0400, B.K. DeLong wrote:
This post has been full of nothing but sad curmudgeons grumbling about "new-fangled technology" and "how good the old stuff works so why change?"
And yet the "sad old curmudgeons" have been the only ones to display an acceptable grasp of rudimentary netiquette: not full-quoting, not top-posting, not sending superfluous copies of messages to people who are known to be subscribed to the list. It would appear they still have some things to teach the newbies who haven't yet learned how to use email properly and politely. 1/2 ;-), 1/2 not You might want to remember that the "sad old curmudgeons" built the network you're currently using. And that perhaps they're not quite as reactionary as you seem to think, but rather more cynical about the latest transient and unimportant fad. After all: they've seen many. Many of the newbies (in my view: "anyone who did not have an address ending in .ARPA") seem very intent on constantly creating and using new communication methods while failing to master any of the ones they already have. And thus we see ever-more-elaborate, ever-more-heavyweight mechanisms put in play, many of which are actually far worse in terms of facilitating communication than those they would replace, and most of which carry serious privacy, security and abuse risks that have not been adequately researched or analyzed prior to production deployment. None of these have yet approached the utility, efficiency, scalability, resilience, and reach that Usenet had decades ago. It's very instructive to consider why that's the case. Hint: consider motivation, in particular, "profit". And keep firmly mind that the users of these sites/services are NOT the customer. They, and their personal data and activities and attention, are the product which is being sold to the actual customers. (I'm continually amazed at how many people blithely accept the largesse of these sites without ever stopping to consider how the bills are paid, and what that means for them.) More broadly: I'm not opposed to innovation: I've been doing it here for almost 30 years. I'm opposed to mistaking flavor-of-the-month for actual innovation. Didn't the dot-com era teach everyone that while the former is easy, the latter is very hard? And rare? It's entirely possible that Twitter is the Flooz of the moment. Or not. Wait and watch. And let's review a decade from now. But short of "I'm on fire", there's really very little that I have to say which is so vital, so necessary, so immediate, that it can't bear with some thought and editing before being inflicted on the rest of the world. I think the same is true of others, particularly true of those who don't understand what I just said. ---Rsk _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care, (continued)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care David M Chess (Mar 19)
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- Re: religious war! Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Mar 21)
- Re: religious war! Drsolly (Mar 21)
- Re: religious war! Imri Goldberg (Mar 21)
- Re: religious war! Gadi Evron (Mar 21)
- Re: religious war! Jeff Kell (Mar 22)
- Re: religious war! Paul Ferguson (Mar 22)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care David M Chess (Mar 19)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care Rich Kulawiec (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care der Mouse (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care Rich Kulawiec (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care der Mouse (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care Paul M. Moriarty (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care der Mouse (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care Paul M. Moriarty (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care Paul M. Moriarty (Mar 20)
- Re: Tweet This: I Don't Care der Mouse (Mar 22)