Re: Apparently Milgram is still right

["Alex Eckelberry" <AlexE () sunbelt-software com>]

True, and there is a point of ethics vs. morals.  But in the end,
there's a line that, IMHO, shouldn't be crossed. 

Besides, at a purely ethical level, torture is a low-quality
interrogation technique.  It's overrated in its effectiveness, and
creates boomerang effects which don't benefit an overall cause. 

Nevertheless, even arguing torture at a logical level is difficult for
me.  It's just reprehensible, not because of some pacificist ideology:
Because beating the living shit out of someone for information brings us
to the level of animals, and that's what we've been trying to evolve
from for a very long time. 

Something Matthew Alexander spoke and wrote of recently:  

http://snipurl.com/8wosv


Alex 

-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
On Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:19 PM
To: Gadi Evron; Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
Cc: funsec () linuxbox org; cissp-ethics () yahoogroups com
Subject: Re: [funsec] Apparently Milgram is still right

I guess it depends on who you think you owe an ethical duty to, doesn't
it.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
> On Behalf Of Gadi Evron
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:11 PM
> To: Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
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> Subject: Re: [funsec] Apparently Milgram is still right
>
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
wrote:
> > People are still willing to torture people, when told to do so by an
> authority.
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/2/hi/health/7791278.stm
> >
> > This may explain some recent happenings, but it is still disturbing,
> nonetheless.
> > We in infosec, and members of society as a whole, have to push harder
> on the
> > ethics front.
>
> What does this have to do with ethics?
> It's a trick question, think before answering. :)
>
>
> > ======================  (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)
> > rslade () vcn bc ca     slade () victoria tc ca
rslade () computercrime org
> > This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have

> > set before you life and death, blessings and curses.  Now
> > choose life....                                  - Deuteronomy 30:19
> > victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm
> blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/
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