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Re: medical guns!


From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:01:53 -0800

Given that the decrease in violent crime, especially forcible rape and
assault on women, is strongly correlated in time, and jurisdiction, with
the implementation of shall-issue carry, the evidence is pretty strong.
However, I invite you to read the research, rather than take my word for
it.

I find it entertaining how socialists love to use correlation as proof
when it suits them (Global warming, FE), but immediately jump on that to
naysay what doesn't suit them. The argument that supports the
statistical evidence, that the mechanism is well understood (criminals
are cowards, and when they don't know who's armed choose non-occupied
property crimes, or tourists who are clearly not armed; the CO2
greenhouse effect is similarly well understood), is the same in both
exemplary cases.

I'd say the cultural underpinnings of the US go back at least as far as
those of the modern UK, and that the US, not the UK, is more true to the
traditions of the English FreeMan, although both have, of late, been
throwing the traditions under the bus in the name of "security". 

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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:55 PM
To: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] medical guns!

[...] unaware of the extensive statistical studies conducted at the
University of Chicago on the matter of how concealed carry by the law
abiding reduces violent crime.

Reduces, or correlates with lower levels of?  There is a significant
difference.

You're seeing first hand why the founders of the US felt it necessary
that we have the fourth box, cartridge, available to defend liberty
if Soap, Ballot, and Jury fail.

Before you get too feeling too superior to them, remember, their corner
pub has been around for some ten times as long as your whole country.

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