funsec mailing list archives
Re: medical guns!
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:01:53 -0800
Given that the decrease in violent crime, especially forcible rape and assault on women, is strongly correlated in time, and jurisdiction, with the implementation of shall-issue carry, the evidence is pretty strong. However, I invite you to read the research, rather than take my word for it. I find it entertaining how socialists love to use correlation as proof when it suits them (Global warming, FE), but immediately jump on that to naysay what doesn't suit them. The argument that supports the statistical evidence, that the mechanism is well understood (criminals are cowards, and when they don't know who's armed choose non-occupied property crimes, or tourists who are clearly not armed; the CO2 greenhouse effect is similarly well understood), is the same in both exemplary cases. I'd say the cultural underpinnings of the US go back at least as far as those of the modern UK, and that the US, not the UK, is more true to the traditions of the English FreeMan, although both have, of late, been throwing the traditions under the bus in the name of "security".
-----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of der Mouse Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:55 PM To: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] medical guns![...] unaware of the extensive statistical studies conducted at the University of Chicago on the matter of how concealed carry by the law abiding reduces violent crime.Reduces, or correlates with lower levels of? There is a significant difference.You're seeing first hand why the founders of the US felt it necessary that we have the fourth box, cartridge, available to defend liberty if Soap, Ballot, and Jury fail.Before you get too feeling too superior to them, remember, their corner pub has been around for some ten times as long as your whole country. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse () rodents-montreal org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
_______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- Re: medical guns!, (continued)
- Re: medical guns! Nick FitzGerald (Dec 07)
- Re: medical guns! Tomas L. Byrnes (Dec 07)
- Re: medical guns! Nick FitzGerald (Dec 07)
- Re: medical guns! Gadi Evron (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Larry Seltzer (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Gadi Evron (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Paul M. Moriarty (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Nick FitzGerald (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Tomas L. Byrnes (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! der Mouse (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Tomas L. Byrnes (Dec 08)
- Message not available
- Re: medical guns! Tomas L. Byrnes (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! der Mouse (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Damian Gerow (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Tomas L. Byrnes (Dec 08)
- Re: medical guns! Larry Seltzer (Dec 09)
- Re: medical guns! Michael Simpson (Dec 10)
- Re: medical guns! Nick FitzGerald (Dec 07)
- Re: medical guns! Damian Gerow (Dec 08)