Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?

["Randy Abrams" <abrams () eset com>]

> From: C Q [mailto:kyle.c.quest () gmail com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:28 PM
> To: Randy Abrams
> Cc: privacy () whitestar linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?
>
>
> I was talking just about the manual labor jobs. This is what H2A and
H2B are for.
> Those two types of visas are completely separate from H1B visa, which
deals with
> skilled workers. Yes, H1B visas disappear almost instantly, but I
wasn't talking about 
> that. And the limits on H2A and H2B haven't been reached this year.
Somewhere I even
> heard that there's no limit on H2A visas at all (I can't confirm it
though right now),
> which means that if indeed there's nobody wanting to pick those
strawberries an employer 
> can try to get H2A visas to get legal workers from Mexico, but that's
not gonna happen
> in most cases. It makes no sense to them... because why go through all
that trouble
> and then pay a decent wage when you can get a bunch of illegals who
are already 
> here and the best thing about that is that you are not governed by law
to properly compensate
> them, so you get to pay them as little as you can.

OK, so we have the laws and enforcement is the issue. National ID cards,
for which this whole debate is a red herring, are not enforcement. And
yes, I was thinking of the H1 series. 

Social Security is really cool. My wallet got stolen years ago with my
card in it. I got a letter from the IRS about unclaimed wages at a
Safeway market. I explained the situation to the IRS's satisfaction, but
the fact remains that someone was paying into my social security. One
illegal, one American's retirement. See, they are quite good for us
legal workers. What an effective tool an Social Security card is for
National ID!

> Manual labor and skilled labor are too different things... and they
are handled by different types 
> of visas. I recommend reading about that a bit :-)

Will do next time I have trouble sleeping :)

Cheers,

Randy

> > On 5/21/07, Randy Abrams <abrams () eset com> wrote: 
> >
> > They're already used to quota limits and it is very difficult to get
a particularly qualified person in 
> > on one if they don't have a degree.
 
> > Nice try, but the Kool-aid jar is almost empty :)
> >  
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Randy


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From: C Q [mailto:kyle.c.quest () gmail com] 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Alex Eckelberry
Cc: privacy () whitestar linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?


Just a quick note about this statement:

"I'm not "pro" illegal immigration.  We do need reform.  We need to make
it possible to bring in the low-wage earners that keep this country
going.  And we also need to be able to bring in the high-wage earners 
that help us remain competitive."

We ALREADY have a way to do that! It's called H2A and H2B visas.

H2A - Temporary or seasonal agricultural workers
H2B - Persons filling temporary jobs that cannot be filled by US
citizens or residents

There are two reasons employers don't use them:

1. They don't know about it.
2. They don't want to pay... because if they use those visas they'd have
to 
   pay the appropriate way and not pennies that the illegals will work
for.

Usually the most likely reason is the reason number 2.




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