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Re: why Senator Stevens is right on Net Neutrality
From: "Dude VanWinkle" <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:15:09 -0400
On 7/6/06, Dennis Henderson <hendomatic () gmail com> wrote:
At the risk of another Dude "please dont pro-create" rant, I need to add this to the conversation. He clearly is making comments that need some adjustment. The Internet may have been started by the US government, but is certainly not run by the US government and is not largely funded by the US government. It has evolved into a business proposition, just like Gadi has stated. Telco's have spent billions making the Internet backbone in America as robust and wide as it is today. The government funding projects are more point solutions targeted at social programs or special technology. All the increases in net performance and availability are the result of BUSINESS investment, not government investment. Yes the government has invested heavily in other networks to ensure their critical processes and information transfer is not affected by issues with the Internet. But they still use the same carriers and potentially travel over the same pipes. Defense is only one aspect of this. Weather prediction, FAA information, etc.... all critical information needs. The DSL and cable modem lines are NOT YOUR lines. You lease them. The service entirely belongs to the company, not you. They are letting you use the service and you are paying them for it. Just like gasoline at the station is NOT YOUR gasoline until you pay for it. Once you do, you agree to a barter of money for gas. If the ISP's feel like some data is worth more than others, then that is their perogative. They will live and die by that theory. The law of supply and demand will shape the results. Just like Intel and AMD think you should pay for the same CPU that reliably runs at a faster speed.... Where's the outrage there? Memory? IBM charges companies for its mainframe products based on the expected MIPS of performance... pissed off about that? Oracle charges based on cpu speed and number....... going postal over that? Its all a value based proposition. You can take it or leave it... If enough people leave it, the value goes down, the demand goes down and the price goes down... Aint capitalism great? Regulation of the Internet will not work. It will just cause the ISP's to look elsewhere to invest their money. After all, It IS a business. it will also reduce competition and reduce the rate of evolution where the regulation is in place. History has proved this time and time again in so many markets. price freezes in the 70's that caused shortages.. the california power grid issues clearly the result of regulatory failures.... limit(or remove) the profit, the re-investment in infrastructure will suffer.. Why invest in something that you wont make money on?
If this issue degrades to a free market vs communism debate, then we have lost the ability to communicate because most have already made up their mind and are unwilling to change it. If you think that letting businesses police themselves is a valid option, then nothing I can say will change your mind. Enjoy your electric car, secure operating systems, and cancer cures. -JP<the dirty stinking commie> Q: What is the difference between a piece of paper and a piece of money? A: The money is a piece of paper that has been blessed by the treasury wizards. The money is only worth something because we all agree on it. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: why Senator Stevens is right on Net Neutrality Dude VanWinkle (Jul 06)
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- Re: why Senator Stevens is right on Net Neutrality Dude VanWinkle (Jul 06)
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