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I love gun threads.  Let's summarize the thread to date ...

* Brian is a gun owner
* Nick called Brian a redneck
* Drsolly wouldn't know the difference between a "popgun" and a
Browning M2 if you shot him in the ass with one.


Drsolly: Americans can own MUCH greater firepower than you'll get with
a "popgun".  We can own a wide variety of full-auto weapons (even .50
BMG), silencers, explosives, current generation night vision and
infrared weapon sighting systems, armor piercing and incendiary
ammunition, military attack helicopters, fighter jets, tanks, etc.  If
you have the money, you can legally buy and fly an F18 or a Mig-29.


The UK and .au are so repressive and big brotherish that the sheeple
there actually believe that getting rid of guns reduces crime.  Hell,
the UK is trying to ban knives now
(http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=uk+ban+knives). 

What will you ban next?  Sticks and stones?


Let's look at the FACTS ...

in the USA:

Fact: Though the number of firearms owned by private citizens has been
increasing steadily since 1970, the overall rate of homicides and
suicides has not risen. There is no correlation between the
availability of firearms, the homicide rate, or the suicide rate in
America. (Source: Prof. Gary Kleck, “Targeting Guns: Firearms and their
control”, with supporting data from the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics,
1972 to 1995)

Fact: Per capita firearm ownership rates have risen at a steady pace
since 1959 while crime rates have gone up and down depending on
economics, drug trafficking innovations, and “get tough” legislation.
(Source: Brian Reaves, "Felony Defendants in Large Urban Counties,
1998", Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001)

Fact: 35 states (and the majority of the American population) live in
“right-to-carry” CCW states, and in each, the crime rate fell after
the law became active. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

Fact: When citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons: Murder
rates drop 8%, Rape rates fall 5%, Aggravated assaults drop 7%.
(Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

Fact: "Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws
severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms
for self-defense". The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the
restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less
restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000). The Homicide Rate is 49%
higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states
with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000). The Robbery Rate is
58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the
less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000). The Aggravated Assault
Rate is 15% higher in the restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than
in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000). (Source: FBI
Uniform Crime Reports)

Fact: Firearm misuse causes only a small number of accidental deaths
in the U.S. For example, compared to accidental death from firearms,
you are: Four times more likely to burn to death or drown; 17 times
more likely to be poisoned; 19 times more likely to fall; And 53 times
more likely to die in an automobile accident. (Source: 2001, Center
for Disease Control, WISQARS)

Fact: Medical mistakes kill 400,000 people per year – about one fully
loaded jumbo jet crash per day – or about 286 times the rate of all
accidental firearm deaths. This translates into 1 in 6 doctors causing
an accidental death, and 1 in 56,666 gun owners doing the same.
(Source: Medical death statistics from Dr. David Lawrence, CEO Kaiser
Permanente. Gun deaths are for 1993, CDC report)

Fact: About 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person - about 2%
of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person. The odds of a
defensive gun user killing an innocent person are less than 1 in
26,000. And that is with citizens using guns to prevent crimes almost
2,500,000 times every year. (Source: C. Cramer, and D. Kopel "Shall
Issue: The New Wave of Concealed Handgun Permit Laws”. Independence
Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994)

Fact: In 1976, Washington, D.C. enacted one of the most restrictive
gun control laws in the nation. Since then, the city's murder rate has
risen 134 percent while the national murder rate has dropped 2 percent.
(Source: Dr. Gary Kleck, University of Florida using FBI Uniform Crime
Statistics, 1997)

Fact: Maryland claims to have the toughest gun control laws in the
nation and ranks #1 in robberies and #4 in both violent crime and
murder. (Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) for 2000, p. 79,
Table 5, "Index of Crime by State")

Fact: 20% of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just six percent
of the population – New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Washington, D.C. –
and each has a virtual prohibition on private handguns. (Source: FBI
Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) for 2000, p. 79, Table 5, "Index of Crime
by State")

Fact: Guns are used 65 times more often to prevent a crime than to
commit one. (Source: Taking Dr. Gary Kleck’s estimate of 2.5 million
gun defenses each year, divided by the FBI estimates of crimes
committed with a firearm.)

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849
every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the
criminal’s) is shed. (Source: San Francisco Department of Public
Health and San Francisco Injury Center, “Firearm-related Injury
Incidents in 1999 – Annual Report”, February 2002)

Fact: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent
crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of the
time is the gun ever actually fired. (Source: National Crime
Victimization Survey, 2000, Bureau of Justice Statistics, BATF
estimates on handgun supply)

Fact: Washington D.C., has banned gun ownership and has a murder rate
of 56.9 per 100,000. Across the river in Arlington, Virginia, gun
ownership is not regulated, and the murder rate is a mere 1.6 per
100,000. (Source: FBI, “Crime in the United States”, 1998)

Fact: In 1982, Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring heads of households
to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary
rate dropped 89% the following year. (Source: Dr. Gary Kleck, “Crime
Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force”, Social Problems,
February 1988)

Fact: For every accidental death, suicide or homicide with a firearm,
10 lives are saved through defensive use. (Source: National Crime
Victimization Survey, 1979-1985)

Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape
attacks are completed, compared to 32% when unarmed. (Source: U.S.
Department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration,
Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities, 1979)


in the UK, Australia, etc ...

Fact: Switzerland has extremely lenient gun control (more so than the
U.S.), and has the third-lowest homicide rate of the top nine major
European countries, and the same per capita rate as England and Wales.
(Source: Carol Kalish, International Crime Rates, Bureau of Justice
Statistics Special Report (Washington: Department of Justice, May
1988). 1984 data for Switzerland, and the 1983 data for England and
Wales.)

Fact: Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the
highest rates of violent crime. Australia and England, which have
virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of robbery,
sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized
countries. (Source: Dutch Ministry of Justice, Criminal Victimization
in Seventeen Industrialized Countries, 2001)

Fact: Since gun banning has escalated in the UK, the rate of crime –
especially violent crime – has risen. Street robberies soared 28% in
2001. Violent crime was up 11%, murders up 4%, and rapes are up 14%.
(Source: British Home Office, reported by BBC news, July 12, 2002)

Fact: Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high
in 2000, years after a virtual ban on private handgun ownership. More
than 3,000 crimes involving handguns were recorded in 1999-2000,
including the 42 homicides, 310 cases of attempted murder, 2,561
robberies and 204 burglaries. (Source: “42 killed by handguns last
year “, The Times, January 10, 2001, reporting on statistics supplied
by the British Home Office)

Fact: Between 1997 and 1999, there were 429 murders in London, the
highest two year figure for more than 10 years – nearly two-thirds of
those involved firearms – in a country that has banned private
firearm ownership. (Source: “Illegal Firearms in the UK”, Centre for
Defense Studies at King's College in London, July 2001)

Fact: The U.K. has strict gun control and a rising homicide rate of
1.4 per 100,000. Switzerland that has the highest per capita firearm
ownership rate on the planet (all males age 20 to 42 are required to
keep rifles or pistols at home) has a homicide rate of 1.2 per
100,000. And to date, there has never been a schoolyard massacre in
Switzerland. (Source: Stephen P. Halbrook, “Where Kids and Guns Do
Mix”, Wall Street Journal, June 1999)

Fact: In Australia, crime has been rising since a sweeping ban on
private gun ownership. In the first two years after gun-owners were
forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms, government statistics
show a dramatic increase in criminal activity. In 2001-2002, homicides
were up another 20%. From the inception of firearm confiscation to
March 27, 2000, the numbers are: Gun murders up 19%, Armed robbery up
69%, Home invasions up 21%. The sad part is that in the 15 years
before national gun confiscation: Firearm-related homicides dropped
nearly 66%, Firearm-related deaths fell 50%. (Sources: Australian
Bureau of Statistics, “Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police”,
2000; Australian Institute of Criminology, “Report #46: Homicide in
Australia, 2001-2002", April 2003)


History is even more telling ...

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass
searches and hold executions for found arms." -- Lenin

"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we
shall disarm it ourselves." -- Stalin

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the
subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who
have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own
downfall by so doing.” -- Hitler

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.  From 1929 to 1953,
approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.  From 1915-1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13
million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who
were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.  From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964.  From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.  From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.  From 1975 to 1977, one
million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control
at approximately 56 million in the last century.  Since we should
learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in
favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to
have exterminated.

In the first 12 months since the ban, gun owners in Australia were
forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a
program costing the government more than $500 million dollars.  The
results Australia-wide; Homicides were up 3.2%; Assaults were up 8%;
Armed robberies were up 44%; In that country's state of Victoria,
homicides with firearms were up 300%.

Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed
robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss
to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after
such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
"ridding society of guns."

It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the
law-abiding citizens. (Source: Paul Harvey)


I challenge all of you anti-gun people in .au, .uk, and elsewhere
to provide stats, from reputable source like the FBI and the Home
Office, that indicate that banning guns reduces crime and provides
you with a greater degree of liberty.


Regards,
x

P.S. Gadi, thanks for the great list!  I really enjoy the posts from
old-schoolers like Drsolly, and strongly-opinionated Fosters-drinking
Aussies like Nick.
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