Re: University of South Carolina e-Mail Compromises StudentIDs

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 4/20/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
> > > We were a religious lot in the beginning.
> > That's your problem. It is possible to recover from that problem, if you
> > want freedom. Alternatively, you can slide back to the Dark Ages and
> > reject evolution, gravity and quantum mechanics.
>
> LOL - now that's funny. The religious lot in the beginning came here
> for freedom from your government!

Hmm, they told you that, did they? 

Actually, what happened was they wanted everyone in England to be
"Puritan", and when folks here said "No, we aren't going to compel
everyone to be Puritan (although you can if you like), we want freedom of
religion", the puritans went off to create a theocratic country.

> I also didn't say that we aren't
> still religious - I should have stated that we still are. The way our
> government works allows for that, because you have freedom to travel,
> live in any state you want, and what ever the community deems
> appropriate is all good. Now, the feds have over-stepped their
> position, on a lot of things, but we're working on it,
> little-by-little. Watch as the number of libertarians infiltrate the
> Republican party, and win as libertarians in smaller, more localized
> races. If that doesn't work, well, we have our guns - that's still an
> option for us over here, if it ever gets that extreme.

Great, a collection of popguns. What do you plan to do with them?
 
> You don't have freedom. As stated, you haven't got the right to defend
> your own property - your own castle - anymore. That is a BASIC human
> right, up there with the pursuit of happiness. You have a limited
> right to defend your own being - that is THE right of all human
> rights. Given that, how are you possibly more free than us - because
> you can pay to have sex if you want?! I don't think so. Prostitution
> SHOULD be legal - I don't disagree - but that's not a right I'm going
> to go fight for if I can't even defend myself!

We've come up with this ingenious scheme called "police", whereby we pay a 
bunch of people to keep the peace and maintain the law. 

But I also have the right to defend myself, my family and my property. I 
just don't have the right to kill someone who stepped into my front 
garden. Which is as it should be.
 
> Forgive those who trespass against me...sounds familiar doesn't it?
> You think it's talking about trespassing on private party? And,

No, I think in that religious prayer, trespass means "sin" or "inflict 
damage".

> ACTUALLY, YES, our law IS based on English common law - as it stood
> back in 1776.

Yes, I know that, but you've diverged quite a lot since then.

> > Hmm, you mean, by choosing to disallow widespread gun ownership, we avoid
> > the 30,000 firearm deaths per year that you have, and have a couple of
> > hundred per year instead? You mean, we've given up those 30,000
> > fatalities, right? Well, I think I'm happy to avoid those 30,000 deaths.
>
> I'm sure you are, you'd rather be safe than free. 

No, I't rather be alive, safe and free, and guess what - you can have all 
three.

> No such thing as a
> free lunch friend. At least we've come to the crux of the argument -
> you're a rabid anti-gunner. 

Of course. Isn't any sane and sensible person who doesn't live in an 
environment where you're constantly at risk of being shot? Of course, you 
live in a country where 30,000 people are killed by guns each year, so it 
makes perfect sense to me that you should continue to have guns. But don't 
inflict your problems onto us!

> Nothing I do or say will change your mind
> or even cause you to rationalize what your saying. Never mind that the
> statistics for crime between our two countries PROVES that your gun
> ban has done nothing but make you an island of victims 

The statistics I cited, shows that you're 30 times as likely to be killed 
by a gun in the USA as in the UK. You haven't cited any statistics yet, so 
I don't know what you think you've proved.

> - where only
> the criminals have guns, and therefore only the criminals are free.

You're confusing the condition "owns a gun" with the condition "free". The 
two have a very tenuous link, if any.

> Never mind that crime in the states has DECREASED as more and more
> states have passed concealed carry laws. Never mind the facts, the
> truth, an honest debate. Therefore, for that reason, I don't see the
> point in arguing much more...

OK, cheerio.

> > I'm beginning to think that you're under the impression that we have high
> > taxation.

> Beginning to? Are you not???

Uh - no. 
 
> > > And in your courts, you're guilty until proven otherwise?
> >
> > No, that's your invention. We do "innocent until proven guilty"
>
> That's our invention? LOL, we invented the whole phrase - when we
> broke from your country you hadn't even thought of making a serf an
> "equal".

Nor had you. You called the "slaves", and you didn't abolish slavery until 
the 1860s (we abolished it somewhat earlier, in 1806 the slave trade was 
abolished, and in 1834, slavery was abolished thoughout the British Empire).
 
> > In America, if some kid enters your house and prowls around, you think
> > it's right to kill him. In England, we don't think that, we think that
> > this would be an unreasonable reaction.
>
> If a kid enters my house I have the right to make sure he does no harm
> to my or my family. My conscience will decide how I do that. A free
> man has the right to make a bad decision.

And society has the right to put him on trial to answer for the 
consequences of his decision.

> > Yes. because if you want to have a revolution against *your* government,
> > which is the purpose of that amendment, you're going to need a bit more
> > than popguns.
>
> And you can back that up with what knowledge? I mean, I'm telling you
> you're wrong, and I live here and I'm a gun owner and I hang around
> like-minded folks. What do YOU know that all of us dumb Americans
> don't?
 
Have you noticed that the US Army has considerably more powerful weapons, 
including artillery, tanks, aircraft, bombs and so on? 

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