Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

[Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org>]

On 10/4/2011 10:10 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
> > On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:15:02 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said:
> > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > As I mentioned before it is hard to expect that a VPN provider will
> > > > risk his company for your $11.52/month, and maybe they would try it
> > > > for some lesser case, but what Lulsec did was grant, so I'm not
> > > > surprised that they bent.
> > > "Alleged"
> > Yes. So?  In most jurisdictions, "alledged" and "probable cause" is sufficient
> > to get a court to sign off on a subpoena and/or warrants.
> >
> > "Dear Judge:  On Aug 23, a hacker using the handle "JustFellOutOfTree" did
> > violate Section N, Clause X.Y of the criminal code by hacking into
> > BigStore.com.  The connection was traced back to the provider VPNs-R-Us.  We
> > would like a court order requesting VPNs-R-Us to provide any and all
> > information they may have regarding this user".
> >
> > That will usually do it (after bulked up to about 3 pages with legalese and
> > dotting the t's and crossing the i's).
> >
> > The next morning, the manager at VPNs-R-Us gets to his office, and finds
> > two guys with guns and a signed piece of paper.  At which point one of two
> > things will happen:
> >
> > 1) the guy rolls and gives up all the info.
> > 2) the guy calls his lawyer and makes sure that he gives up all the required info,
> > and not one byte more.
> >
> > (Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens so
> > rarely that it's basically a hypothetical).
> Good point. Bush, Cheney, and other top administration officials were
> indicted in Spain on alleged war crimes. That the administration
> defend its position on torture, I would view it as a tacit admission
> (and drop the 'alleged'). When do you think justice will be served
> upon them?
>
> Jeff
>
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