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Re: Third issue of the Zone-H Comics
From: security curmudgeon <jericho () attrition org>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:48 -0400 (EDT)
: Not if the U.S security services decide to have a "war on cyber terror : sites". You aren't from the US are you? The idea that "U.S security services" can arbitrarily shut down a site outside the US, and that the FBI or anyone else *would* shut down a site, even in the US is a bit silly. Almost as silly as thinking defacing or defacement mirrors are "cyber terrorism" under any definition of the word. When the attrition mirror was being maintained, our #1 visitors were security companies and law enforcement. The FBI (and other agencies) used our mirror to track computer crime, and eventually figured out they could subpoena us for records that potentially helped their investigation. They knew that some defacers would not clean the logs of systems they attacked, and they knew that the defacers would view their work on our site, as well as contact us directly (often from hotmail, with x-originating-ip) giving them a nice trail back to the person who comitted the crime. So, one subpoena, conviction in a box practically. You think the FBI would close that kind of resource? As KF and str0ke said, there will always be a defacement mirror. There was one before Attrition, several during, and several since. Instead of deciding they should all be shut down for whatever reason, you should be calling for the mirrors to act as professionally and ethically as possible. If you question this comment or can't figure out what would distinguish defacement mirrors in this way, then do a little reading on the topic for background. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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