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RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider
From: "Joshua Berry" <jberry () PENSON COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:49:51 -0600
Since you can't see the signature, how do you know they aren't doing simple string matching? Second, obviously you aren't very familiar with Snort's rule language, it isn't just simple string matching, there is a *ton* of other logic available to reduce false positives/negatives. Snort also has conveniently had support for PCRE matching for a long time now. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Plato [mailto:andrew.plato () anitian com] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:42 PM To: Stephane; rick.brady () libertymutual com Cc: focus-ids () securityfocus com Subject: RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Honestly, how many people, except security geeks like us, really care what is inside the signatures? Sure, its fun to look inside them and see what they are keying on, but since ISS signatures are not purely "match this string" kind of stuff that Snort does, its not that simple. And more importantly, who the heck has time to do that? In the zillions of Proventias and server sensors I've deployed, I don't think anybody has ever once asked me "gosh, can we see the signature code." They were to busy running their systems to obsess over the code inside signatures. I think the "I can't see the signatures, I don't trust them" argument isn't a viable reason to turn down an IPS/IDS vendor. If it was, then it would put Cisco, Symantec, TippingPoint, and just about everybody else with a high-performance IPS off the map. ISS MSS from our experience as an ISS reseller has been positive. But, I am an ISS reseller so I have to say that. Another that comes to mind is Counterpane. ___________________________________ Andrew Plato, CISSP President/Principal Consultant ANITIAN ENTERPRISE SECURITY 3800 SW Cedar Hills Blvd, Suite 280 Beaverton, OR 97005 503-644-5656 Office 503-214-8069 Fax 503-201-0821 Mobile www.anitian.com ___________________________________ GPG fingerprint: 16E6 C5B0 B6CB F287 776E E9A9 AF47 9914 3582 633D GPG public key available at: http://www.anitian.com/corp/keys.htm -----Original Message----- From: Stephane [mailto:stephane.d () ecologie net] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:38 AM To: Brady, Rick Cc: "Melih Kirkgöz (Koç.net)"; focus-ids () securityfocus com Subject: Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Brady, Rick wrote:
Melih, I guess you must be special to ISS, from my experience the support has been sub-par. Also do you like the idea that ISS IDS signatures are not known to the customer and only ISS ? Rick Brady Liberty Mutual Group I/S TSSS Engineering Network Access Control mailto:rick.brady () libertymutual com (603) 245-4214 8-435-4214sdn
Hi there, What are you talking about? The support? do you mean people behind support () iss net or mss.support () iss net ? What looks good with ISS, MSS Dept is that you have somehow the X-Force support http://xfoce.iss.net ; as far as I know and tell me if I am wrong, ISS is the only security provider having an R&D dept which is the X-Force team. My impression about Cisco IDS for example is that they just do follow the CERT to react (to react, this word is important, not to prevent). ISS supported by X-Force provides signatures sometimes a long time before the thread is even known. Do you want those guys to post those signatures to the mass in order to have Symatntec, Cisco or other Netscreen getting R&D free profits out of it? Not sure you'd do so. Also, my question was about how to choose an IDS *AND* FW firewall. I know I am a bit out of the topic of this mailing-list but you can be good at IDS and maybe bad at firewalls which are much more complex through. PS: and once again, ISS is in the gane for 10 long years. What about the competitors? Thanks, Stephane -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.securityfocus.com/sponsor/CoreSecurity_focus-ids_040708 to learn more. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.securityfocus.com/sponsor/CoreSecurity_focus-ids_040708 to learn more. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.securityfocus.com/sponsor/CoreSecurity_focus-ids_040708 to learn more. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Current thread:
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider, (continued)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Randy Golly (Mar 10)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Koç.net (Mar 11)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Mark Teicher (Mar 11)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Andrew Plato (Mar 14)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider fuijdancer (Mar 14)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Stephane (Mar 16)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Peter Schawacker (Mar 14)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Kevin (Mar 14)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Will Metcalf (Mar 16)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Dahl-Hansen, Kjetil (Mar 16)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Joshua Berry (Mar 16)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Peter Schawacker (Mar 16)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Mark Teicher (Mar 16)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider David W. Goodrum (Mar 19)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Palmer, Paul (ISSAtlanta) (Mar 16)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider THolman (Mar 16)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Sasser (Mar 19)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Mark Teicher (Mar 16)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider THolman (Mar 16)
- RE: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Andrew Plato (Mar 16)
- Re: How to choose an IDS/FW MSS provider Andre Ludwig (Mar 19)
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