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Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum
From: Devdas Bhagat <devdas () dvb homelinux org>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:33:17 +0530
On 20/01/06 10:00 -0500, Paul D. Robertson wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, sai wrote:Ignorance is strenght? No way! IDS should help you figure out what is happening on your network and its environs. Unfortunately keeping theNo, your *policy* should *dictate* what's happening on your network and its environs. Your implementation of that policy should enforce it. If IDS was an audit function, it'd have to be designed to audit against a policy, not be AV-on-the-wire. Lots of people are using IDS as an excuse to not iterate or implement policy or protective controls, and that's a problem.
Isn't auditing against a policy exactly what an IDS is supposed to do? It also verifies that your security policy has been implemented correctly at the firewall(s).
IDS updated takes time and/or money , plus you have to look at (and understand) the reports (more time and effort). Most people are able to get on with their jobs without knowing what has attacked them, but its certainly good to know.Again, this assumes that your policy implementation allows attacks to traverse your infrastructure *or* that you're wasting the organization's time passing around reports about how many times NIMDA tried to attack your Solaris box.
Things change. IDS help detect unexpected changes. Again, IMHO, an IDS also has a host based component which looks at (ab)normal statistics for host traffic. A sudden increase in traffic or decrease can be interesting events. For instance, seeing traffic destined to port 25 from an unexpected host is a good event to trigger IDS events. Even when your firewall blocks this traffic, the log analysis of firewall logs and DHCP logs should catch potential malicious traffic and possible further investigation. This was discussed in a thread on the loganalysis mailing list by MJR.
This is one reason why people with sub-standard security don't get fired when there's an event they clearly should have created "the IDS signature didn't detect it" is becomming a bail-out when people really aren't implementing good security policies.
Which is _not_ the fault of the tools. Done right, a good firewall and IDS combination should not need to be updated very often. Devdas Bhagat _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum sai (Jan 18)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Paul D. Robertson (Jan 18)
- RE: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Paul Melson (Jan 18)
- RE: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Paul D. Robertson (Jan 18)
- RE: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Paul Melson (Jan 19)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum sai (Jan 18)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Devdas Bhagat (Jan 18)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Paul D. Robertson (Jan 18)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum david_harris (Jan 20)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum sai (Jan 20)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Paul D. Robertson (Jan 20)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Devdas Bhagat (Jan 23)
- Re: FW appliance comparison - Seeking input for the forum Paul D. Robertson (Jan 23)
- RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) Ben Nagy (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS Chuck Swiger (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) Patrick M. Hausen (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) ArkanoiD (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) Cat Okita (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) Paul D. Robertson (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) Cat Okita (Jan 24)
- Re: RE: IDS (was: FW appliance comparison) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 24)