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Re: Re: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks)
From: <firewalladmin () bellsouth net>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:08:29 -0400
Yes, teaching is an art. It can be difficult in and of itself, but I've seen PLENTY of good teachers who wouldn't last a day in the field. Selling is also a talent. My boss is a good example. He was in the tech field for a few years and not half bad at it, then he became an instructor/administrator at a small college and was pretty good. Then he moved up the management track in my company and is now the VP because he is a great salesman/marketer. Though he relies on his technical staff for our technical skill, he could market and sell a line of battery operated freezers to Eskimos. He drums up the work and contracts while allowing his staff to perform the tasks at hand. I agree with your observation about consultants needing certs to appear credible. Anymore though and one needs certs and a BA to get a job in this field, not counting the old timers who have been with the same outfit for 10+ years, they have proved their credibility. If they ever DO need to find new employment, though, it can get tough with "just" 10-15 years experience and no certs. Individuals vary greatly though, so it's not etched in stone about what you need. Who you know, personality, salesmanship, luck, etc all play a part. Whoops, been talking way too long. Sorry! ============================================================ From: Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr <gwen () reptiles org> Date: 2004/06/03 Thu PM 03:28:46 EDT To: firewalladmin () bellsouth net CC: "Paul D. Robertson" <paul () compuwar net>, David Lang <david.lang () digitalinsight com>, George Capehart <capegeo () opengroup org>, <firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com> Subject: Re: Re: [fw-wiz] Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 firewalladmin () bellsouth net wrote:
Not to try and finish your thought, but all too often... "Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, sell. Those who can't sell, market. Those who can't do, teach, sell, or market go into management." Those who can't manage become consultants.
^ Big5 ... but really - it's actually much more difficult to teach, sell, and market than most of us are willing to admit - and an independant consultant gets to do it all. I've also noticed that while employers are frequently willing to excuse the lack of certifications in their FTE, they're very eager to see certs for consultants. Has anybody else seen this? cheers! ========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now." ============================================================ Mark F. MCP, CCNA "You can spend your life any way you want... But you can only spend it once." _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- RE: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks), (continued)
- RE: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) R. DuFresne (Jun 01)
- RE: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Paul D. Robertson (Jun 01)
- Re:Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Brian Ford (Jun 01)
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- RE: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Ames, Neil (Jun 02)
- RE: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Phil Burg (Jun 03)
- RE: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Paul D. Robertson (Jun 03)
- Re: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) George Capehart (Jun 03)
- RE: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Paul D. Robertson (Jun 03)
- Re: Re: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) firewalladmin (Jun 03)
- Re: Re: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr (Jun 03)
- Re: Re: Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) firewalladmin (Jun 03)
- Re:Vulnerability Response (was: BGP TCP RST Attacks) Margles Singleton (Jun 04)
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- RE: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response) Laura Taylor (Jun 14)
- RE: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response) Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr (Jun 14)
- RE: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response) Marcus J. Ranum (Jun 14)
- Re: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response) Crispin Cowan (Jun 14)
- Re: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response) Vladimir Parkhaev (Jun 16)
- Re: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response) Dave Piscitello (Jun 18)
- Re: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response) Paul D. Robertson (Jun 18)
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