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Re: Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories)
From: Devdas Bhagat <devdas () dvb homelinux org>
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:41:30 +0530
On 14/12/04 22:23 +0000, ucxfoe wrote:
Marcus J. Ranum <mjr <at> ranum.com> writes:Adam Shostack wrote:| Isn't this amazing, if you think about it? Enterprise IT managers are | such freakin' morons that they'd rather pay $50/year/desktop plus So, I totally agree with what you're saying. But I'm curious: Are they really morons, or is there a better explanation?... rather than spending (at most) $300,000 to just Solve Th Problem, own it outright, and never pay maintenance.aside from the health insurance, vacation time and water cooler consumption of the person who will be responsible for it. Its people that are expensive. Choose your problem.
Hmmm, a team of competent coders isn't really all that expensive. I am sure that you can get quite good coders here for about 12K to 15K USD/year (that is about the top 10% of the coders)[1]. Not all that expensive. I did a similar cost estimation yesterday (in terms of system maintainance), and the prices of hardware were more than the cost of the administrative effort involved (including downtime costs) for a 50 node network. Also, you do not need the entire codebase to be unique to the organisation. Some parts of it are unique, while large parts are just standardisable libraries. Push the stuff tat is common to multiple organisations into libraries, buy the libraries (or a license to use those), and have your solution built on top. The greatest strength of Perl is CPAN, which is just a very large collection of libraries. Also note that you may not wish to have a coder charging you 120K/yr for maintaining the system, but one who gets 60K/yr instead. Or outsource it. And that assumes that your system needs maintainance and development continuously. Business requirements do not usually change so fast to as to warrant continuous changes in code. Devdas Bhagat [1] I am not a fan of offshoring, and definitely not for the reason of "cheap". _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
Current thread:
- Re: How to Save The World, (continued)
- Re: How to Save The World Jian Zhen (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World Jian Zhen (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World Devdas Bhagat (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World Crispin Cowan (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World Devdas Bhagat (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World Bruce B. Platt (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 12)
- Re: How to Save The World Crispin Cowan (Dec 13)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) ucxfoe (Dec 15)
- Re: Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Devdas Bhagat (Dec 15)
- Re: Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 16)
- Re: Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Adam Shostack (Dec 19)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Harry Tabak (Dec 15)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) ucxfoe (Dec 15)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 11)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Paul D. Robertson (Dec 12)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Jim Seymour (Dec 12)
- Re: How to Save The World (was: Antivirus vendor conspiracy theories) Chris Pugrud (Dec 13)