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Re: Personal Firewall Day?
From: Crispin Cowan <crispin () immunix com>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:44:46 -0700
Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
I didn't assume that of you; I was responding to the guy who responded to you (Hicks?) who overtly said that he wanted dumb terminals back. I do too, but I don't expect it to happen soon.Crispin Cowan wrote:I submit that dumb terminals are dead & goneI said we needed to kill general-purpose computing, not go to dumb terminals. Why did everyone assume I was talking about dumb terminals?
"Dumb" is also highly variable. At one extreme it's a VT100, which is really pretty dumb. At the other extreme is diskless workstations, or even diskful workstations that get their OS and software from a central server, and use a local disk for swap (wrote my thesis on one of those in the early 90s). The modern Linux variant is a PC that boots from a live CD, e.g. the Knoppix distro http://www.knoppix.org/ and the Linux Terminal Server Project http://www.ltsp.org/
As attractive as these systems are, I expect low uptake as each individual finds *some* reason to need to have a custom something-or-other on their PC, and so they diverge from the diskless machine or the live CD image they were handed, and instead install a full OS on a hard disk because they can. This is how PCs took over back in 1982: IT departments were rigid about what software they would support, and end-users responded by deploying PCs running VisiCalc because they could do it on their own and it solved their problem.
Until 5% or so of web sites require Flash 7 (or whatever) to be able to view their content, and then the fixed-software machines all need to be updated. Central IT tries to be as fast as possible deploying upgrades, but global constraints mean that central IT cannot possibly upgrade as early as some individuals demand, and so the balkanization starts. General purpose computing devices are attractive for a reason.example, as are some of the massively multiplayer games. It should be feasible (technically) to produce a desktop that can drive an IMAP client, a browser, an office automation suite, HTML editor, and image editor on the front end with remote file storage of personal data (non system info) on a backend. None of this is rocket science. But we're
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