Re: Contract Rates & CISSP or not

["Andy Nold" <anold () home com>]

Darren,
 Are we getting slick with a not-so-subtle character assassination job, or
maybe venting a little about fears you have about yourself? I invite you to
reread my note, with an emphasis about people judging people without having
had the opportunity to meet them and then form an opinion based on fact.
  To address your concern about the "work ethics and dedication to their
employer or job", I have references going back to the dark ages. Regarding
your assessment "I don't see a quality employee in that, regardless of
qualifications", I understand your position is based on the limited
information provided. Thank God I wasn't count on your vote for employment
or the popularity contest  : )
 I am amused by your statement "Some of the bigger consulting mobs might see
value in what you've got to offer, but quite frankly, I can't wait until you
find another easy source of money and move on." It makes me wonder if you're
afraid of competition? At  the least, I was expecting something more
insightful and pithy from someone that posts as often as you.
 And, in conclusion, regarding the ICS2, Cisco, and Microsoft
certifications, if you think they are "insignificant" because "all you have
to do is "buy them"", you are incorrect insofar as paying for the exam
doesn't mean you are awarded the certification. All the guys I've met in the
industry that passed these and similar exams - like myself - had to spend a
fair amount of time and brain power, supplemented with hands-on research and
work experience, to be able to pass the tests.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Reed" <darrenr () reed wattle id au>
To: <firewall-wizards () nfr net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Contract Rates & CISSP or not


> >  I've been called a lot of complimentary and derogatory names in my
careers
> > (three and contemplating a change), so repeating claims of "brilliant"
and
> > "innovative" would be misleading, and might be wholly misleading. My
> > clearest self-imposed label is "mercenary". I've changed career tracks
from
> > investment banking to corporate sales to technology, to match my
maturation
> > in personality, personal time management, and to secure a stable
> > (lucrative)income.
> > Getting the CISSP was, IMHO, a project to prove a base level of
technical,
> > security-oriented competence for people that were not capable -without
> > meeting me personally- of appreciating of my potential contribution. I
would
> > offer that you reconsider your position of dismissing CISSPs at face
value
> > since I didn't have a lobotomy as a requirement to take the CISSP exam.
>
> What I see is someone who has changed careers to pursue "easy money".
> I wonder what that says about their work ethics and dedication to their
> employer or job ?
>
> I don't see a quality employee in that, regardless of qualifications.
> I doubt they'd make a good contractor either, as their technical skill
> base is going to be thinner than someone else who's got X years.
>
> Some of the bigger consulting mobs might see value in what you've got
> to offer, but quite frankly, I can't wait until you find another easy
> source of money and move on.
>
> If anything, this speaks of how insignificant these qualifications are,
> if all you have to do is "buy them" to get them.
>
> Darren
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