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Re: Recent Attacks
From: Darren Reed <darrenr () reed wattle id au>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 100 17:33:35 +1100 (EST)
In some email I received from Ryan Russell, sie wrote:
So are you suggesting that perhaps it is time software such as ISS, etc, to not only be made available with strict controls over which targets they can be used against (article about this went to bugtraq some time ago) but also be required for those buying the product/license keys in order to undertake such work ? I think this is almost a inevitable. I can't see why professionals would object to this - every `respectable' procession has some sort of official "badging" which is required before you practice in it.Because then if I want to write a tool, I have to take on the responsibility of serial numbering, licensing, probably some sort of insurance, etc.. which means I can't do it for free anymore, can't release source... It's going to squash the little guys.
It may in fact be inevitable, but it sucks.
Let me get this straight, you've been writing small DDoS packages and distributing the source code for them ? I have probably strayed too far in grouping ISS with them, but ISS/Cybercop include a vast array of "buttons" which, in my mind at least, put them in a different class to your scripts - sort of like comparing a pea shooter with the guns the dog creatures get in 5th Element :) The government here has come very close to outlawing some of them...I can't imagine it'll be long before others try :-/ Some of these DDoS tools could be deemed to be "cyber firearms". Kids make bombs at home and look what happens - they blow up schools, if not themselves. (No, you don't need the 'net to learn how). I imagine if you set out to make a gun, then you'd need a license too*, but that's something I'll leave to the expects - I don't want to put any unnecessary holes in me by accident or otherwise. Kids shooting up classmates, kids bringing down the Internet. What's worse, 20 dead + injured or loosing $1.2 billion ? "Only in America". mmmm, stretching analogies :) Darren * - I don't know about this for sure, but you can't sell deail in them without one.
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- Re: Recent Attacks Philip J. Koenig (Feb 23)
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- Re: Recent Attacks Marcus J. Ranum (Feb 19)
- Re: Recent Attacks Darren Reed (Feb 20)
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- Re: Recent Attacks Marcus J. Ranum (Feb 20)
- Re: Recent Attacks Ryan Russell (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Ryan Russell (Feb 23)
- Re: Recent Attacks Marcus J. Ranum (Feb 20)
- RE: Recent Attacks Chris Crozier (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Claudio Telmon (Feb 24)
- Re: Recent Attacks Ryan Russell (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Darren Reed (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Michael Cassidy (Feb 23)
- Re: Recent Attacks Paul D. Robertson (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Darren Reed (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Paul D. Robertson (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Philip J. Koenig (Feb 24)
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- Re: Recent Attacks David LeBlanc (Feb 21)
- Re: Recent Attacks Barrett G. Lyon (Feb 17)
- RE: Recent Attacks Stephen Seal (Feb 17)