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Re: Recording slow scans
From: Darren Reed <darrenr () reed wattle id au>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:59:37 +1000 (EST)
I expect Marus will reply to this in due course, but I'd like to throw in some comments too. In some email I received from Donald Martin, sie wrote: [...]
The client expressed an interest and I immediately contacted MJR via email to ask about a commercial license. The response was, that I could try NFR, play with it a bit, possibly write some agents and such and if the client wanted to purchase the product, I'd have to contact a certified NFR agency. I asked, of course "How much does it cost to get certified?". Here is my point... NFR is not free. It costs money to become a certified installer or to purchase the product for commercial use.
What is the problem here ? For you to become a "certified installed" requires someone spending time training you. That time isn't going to be free. There may be other elements which are a part of the cost but that is one to remember. As for needing to pay $$ for commercial use, somehow NFR needs to make some money to fund the actual project of buliding the tool. If someone doesn't buy it then NFR will go down the tube and you will have no NFR product either. Commercial reality. Another aspect of this is that undoubtably someone would be paying you to install and configure NFR for them (anyway). Why should you get all the $$ for something you never wrote a single line of code for and NFR $0 ? Already there are too many dishonest people out there who just plain ignore license agreements. One place I've been I found the FWTK installed by consultants and when I inquired about the licensing, I was told essentially it was put there with direct and full knowledge that the action of doing so was against the license. The consultants got paid for it, as did their parent company. TIS got $0. The consultants wrote 0 LOC. That's but one case and I'm sure there are countless in existance today. In highlighting the inequitiees of donating an agent to NFR for NFR, you are reacting to the same problems which they must answer. Maybe if your agent was good enough NFR might compensate you for the time. I think too many people get such a free and easy ride with all the Unix tools on the Internet that they really don't know how good it is and take much of it for granted. Maybe I'm just being cynical there, but maybe not. Darren
Current thread:
- Re: ifconfig down (was Re: Recording slow scans, (continued)
- Re: ifconfig down (was Re: Recording slow scans Doug Hughes (Oct 13)
- Re: ifconfig down (was Re: Recording slow scans Henry Hertz Hobbit (Oct 13)
- Re: ifconfig down (was Re: Recording slow scans Radovan Semancik (Oct 14)
- Re: Recording slow scans Vern Paxson (Oct 07)
- Re: Recording slow scans Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 07)
- Re: Recording slow scans Stephen P. Berry (Oct 13)
- Re: Recording slow scans Darren Reed (Oct 14)
- Re: Recording slow scans Stephen P. Berry (Oct 23)
- Re: Recording slow scans Darren Reed (Oct 23)
- Re: Recording slow scans Darren Reed (Oct 14)
- Re: Recording slow scans Donald Martin (Oct 14)
- Re: Recording slow scans Darren Reed (Oct 16)
- Re: Recording slow scans Eric Budke (Oct 16)
- Re: Recording slow scans Matt Curtin (Oct 16)
- Re: Recording slow scans Darren Reed (Oct 16)
- Re: Recording slow scans ark (Oct 19)
- Re: Recording slow scans Vern Paxson (Oct 28)