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Re: Quick Survey: How do you "dispose" of outbound hard drives??
From: "Doty, Timothy T." <tdoty () MST EDU>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:54:53 -0500
DBAN is what we have recommended and I believe what is in general use for wiping drives. I don't recommend it (I'm a mildly paranoid guy) but I believe we have relied on Dell's assertion of wiping in at least some cases. I recently tested out secure erase using the ATA command. It has a couple of advantages over DBAN, including that it will resume if interrupted, the drive is locked until the command completes and it can wipe areas that are normally inaccessible (think remapped sectors). It is fast because essentially no data is moved across the drive interface, the wipe (once initiated) is done by the drive itself. I found three caveats to this approach: 1. older drives do not support it. The one I tested with did, but when I surveyed an additional six SATA drives one did not support secure erase and two did not implement "enhanced" erase (without which reallocated sectors are not overwritten). 2. apparently most (all?) system BIOS "freeze" all drives on boot which prevents execution of any security commands such as secure erase. With some controllers pulling and replugging the live drive will unfreeze it (this worked for me on a Dell laptop) though doing so has a risk of physical damage. Preliminary testing indicates an eSATA interface avoids the drive being frozen when it is not attached at boot. 3. initiating a wipe was not as painless as doing dd or using DBAN. The various linux live CDs I had were too old and unable to successfully set a user password on the drive (the first step) due to having an old version of hdparm (Ubuntu 10.04 cd suffices). Wiping consists of at least two steps: set user password and start erase. Due to varied drive support for secure erase and controllers freezing drives additional steps may be required. Still, for anyone using DBAN it is IMO worth considering wiping with the ATA secure erase command where possible. The drive I wiped had ~3600 reallocated sectors (and was still "good" according to SMART) which represents ~1.8MB of data DBAN would not have erased. Tim Doty
-----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of SCHALIP, MICHAEL Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:27 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: [SECURITY] Quick Survey: How do you "dispose" of outbound hard drives?? Hi Folks.... We're looking for efficiencies (who isn't?) - What process do you follow to securely dispose of old hard drives? Do you sanitize them?...what process/software do you use? Do you allow them to be sold/donated? Do you grind/shred them? Do you degauss them? We are sanitizing them, but we're wondering if it would just be cheaper to use a secure recycling service? (I know DOE/DOD does some of that....depending on the "level"....) Looking forward to hearing what everyone is doing.... Thanks, Michael -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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