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Re: Password Expatriation notification
From: Morrow Long <morrow.long () YALE EDU>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:34:46 -0400
Just requiring long passwords without having an expiration period isn't an effective control against cases:
1. Where the password was disclosed to other parties:* The user shared their password (against policy. Often with employees who are no longer at the institution). 2. Where the password was phished (social engineering) and the user is still unaware they gave away their password.
3. Where the password was guessed. 4. Where the password was captured (keystroke logger, etc.).5. Where the password was brute forced (less likely with complex, long passwords).
- Morrow On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Mark Monroe wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to just require 15 or 20 character passphrases and never have them expire? (Two factor would be nice but not financially sound for the whole campus right now.) It would seem that it might not be too hard of a sell with the -- Never have to change it again.. angle. And passphrases are easier to type than the random crazy passwords..Mark On 8/19/2010 8:56 AM, Ullman, Catherine wrote:James,I would whole-heartedly agree to your statement about providing emails from IT WITHOUT links, but rather reference a known web site by name. I think it makes education and reinforcement of not clicking on links much easier whenIT never sends out links either. :-)I expressed this sentiment just before a recent round of emails were sentregarding password changes only to be informed that it would be "toodifficult" for the users to do and thus they wouldn't bother to change their passwords. While I understand that the password change is critical, I think sending links is today a greater risk because it encourages bad behavior onthe part of the user. I will be interested to see what others out there have to say. Best, Cathy Catherine J. Ullman Information Security Analyst Information Security Office University at Buffalo cende () buffalo edu -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of James Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:23 AM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] Password Expatriation notificationWe also send our users messages like this. However I'm concerned that it would take very little effort to copy the content, spoof the from address and href the links so they look genuine but take them to a random web serverwhich is setup with a copy of our real password management system.For this reason I think we shouldn't provide links in emails that ask a user to login to anything, but should advise they visit our main web page (i.e. type it in themselves) and we give them a link off that. We can then also tag on to "we never ask for your password" that "we never link to pages thatask for your password". Has anyone else tackled this particularly? Cheers James-----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bayn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:11 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] Password Expatriation notification And we also send out an email notice 14 days before expiration, andagain more frequently as the expiration approaches. We have a singleenterprise credential for authentication to many systems, includingemail. We try to make our notification not-phish-like but still get afew inquiries as to the validity of the message. I usuallycongratulate those paranoid souls. At least it's better than believingeverything.;-) Our message says: Firstname Lastname [UniversityID#], Our system indicates that you have not changed your password since [Month day, year]. Please take a few minutes to change your password and review yourchallenge questions by going to http://password.usu.edu before [date 6months later]. If you do not change your password by [the latter date], you may experience interruption of service on Utah State University systems. You will still be able to log in at http://id.usu.edu and make your password change after that date. You may also be temporarily receiving this message: 1) If you no longer attend Utah State University: You may not be interested in maintaining your password with us. Just ignore thesemessages. Once your password has expired these reminder messages will terminate. If you ever need access again you can update your passwordat http://id.usu.edu or contact the Service Desk. 2) If you have never attended Utah State University: We may have assigned you an account in conjunction with a high school concurrentenrollment course, or even as a result of receiving your SAT/ACT scores>from high school. Once your password has expired these remindermessages will terminate. The Information Technology Service Desk can assist you with any questions you might have. Contact us at: Phone: 797-HELP (4357) Toll Free: 877-878-8325 Email: servicedesk () usu edu<mailto:servicedesk () usu edu>Footprints.usu.edu<http://Footprints.usu.edu> (Issue Tracking System)[end of message] ____________________________ Bob Bayn (435)797-2396 Security Team coordinator http://tinyurl.com/I-Need-a-Kidney Office of Information Technology at Utah State University
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- Re: Password Expatriation notification Alex Keller (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification SCHALIP, MICHAEL (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Charles Buchholtz (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Eric Case (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification charlie derr (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Eric Case (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification James Farr '05 (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification SCHALIP, MICHAEL (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Eric Case (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Eric Case (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Morrow Long (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Allison Dolan (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Ullman, Catherine (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification James Farr '05 (Aug 19)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Russell Fulton (Aug 20)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Dergenski, Todd A. (Aug 23)
- Re: Password Expatriation notification Ozzie Paez (Aug 23)
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