Re: A change

[val smith <valsmith () attackresearch com>]

Yeh, idk, id be careful with saying its sophisticated or unsophisticated.
Ive seen a lot of really hardcore attacks that use some lame sploit or
phishing as a component of something larger.

I think the media is quick to jump to "omg cyber-ninjas!" and security
people are quick to jump to "omg lame script kiddies!".

Ill admit that burning an 0day seems to be a stupid thing to do, unless its
some kind of mis-direction.

Also there are certain elements out there who don't really seem to care:

1.) if the target discovers the intrusion
2.) if the target knows who they are
3.) if they use high end tools or not (they use both)
4.) if they burn tools

Attackers keep getting in and getting data so why go a step higher?

When I do tests, a lot of the time I use maybe one exploit, usually old, and
then a combination of even older techniques and usually own everything and
don't get detected, so is that unsophisticated? Or just using the minimal
amount of force necessary to achieve the goal?

V.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Nelson Brito <nbrito () sekure org> wrote:

> Well... A really sophisticated attack can use "one year old" vulnerability
> targeting new exploit "triggers" inside vulnerabilities. I have
> demonstrated
> this in H2HC - how to play a little bit deeper to really know "almost all"
> the
> aspects behind a vulnerability.
>
> I can tell you that some of "Protection Solutions" doesn't really protects
> and
> just let the "new exploit" pass thru the protection layers. I call this
> "Z-Day":
> An "one-year-old" vulnerability's new approach, that could be compared to
> new
> "0-day"... Hopefully I will submit this to BH-USA and will demonstrate my
> approach.
>
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> > Subject: [Dailydave] A change
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> > I think we're seeing a sudden change in how large companies (or simply
> > companies with a high level of perceived threat[1]) deal with software
> > security. Perhaps the era of IDS and AV and scanners has come to an
> > abrupt end? We can only hope.
> >
> > Everyone says an attack is "sophisticated" whenever any 0day is
> > involved. But that should be the baseline. Or rather, it IS the baseline
> > and everyone seems to just be finding out.
> >
> > One of the things Immunity has been including in our services but is now
> > offering seperately is a client-side 0day penetration test against a
> > single host using CANVAS technology. You get your penetration verified
> > during phone consultation. And you receive real-time analyst
> > interpretation of results, plus delivery of log data at the end. For
> > more information you can contact mark () immunityinc com.
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> >
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