RE: Hackers and Painters

[Richard Thieme <rthieme () thiemeworks com>]

great description.

and yeah, the cigaret afterward (or its ilk) is a moment of savoring the pleasure ....

along those lines, you know, I have spoken at Def Con for nine years now and every year is more of a pleasure because 
it is non-stop immersion in conversations with friends and the conversations of substance that I love and I usually 
take a red eye back so on Sunday, the con over and a few hours before going to the airport, I often sit over a drink or 
coffee at the Starbucks on the strip in the dead heat of the night, alone after all the input,  thinking about what I 
learned, just savoring everything that has taken place ... while I am in it, there's too much stimulation to take in 
what is happening.

sounds similar.

RT

At 10:02 AM 9/22/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 09:20, Richard Thieme wrote:
> > I mean, I have been writing since I was 13 ... I think a lot of
> > artists, once you in the flow, in the zone, go on marathon sessions.
> > Once you're there you don't want to stop because it is so
> > self-nurturing, i.e. the positive feedback loops keep ramping up. It
> > short-circuits lesser needs and pleasures including eating.
>
> I consider this ZEN coding. It is like you said, a positive feedback
> loop. The world just fades aware in the stare at the screen while the
> fingers fly over the keyboard. The body otherwise rests motionless in
> the chair or on the couch. The mind is freed from worldly worries and
> immersed in the structure of the code. Within the mind the code unfolds
> and you see the lines ahead, faster than the fingers can catch up. Your
> minds is fixed on the code not for pleasure but for creative means,
> because it's there in front of you and needs to be transcribed into
> $your_language_of_choice.
>
> The pleasure part sets in when you push back and review your creation
> while lighting a smoke or refilling the tea/coffee cup/pot. At least
> with me. I'm too busy coding to enjoy the pleasure while I type :)
>
> Cheers,
> Frank
>
>
>
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