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RE: MS in information security
From: Bob Radvanovsky <rsradvan () unixworks net>
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:37:09 -0600
See comments below. Bob Radvanovsky, CISM, CIFI, REM, CIPS "knowledge squared is information shared" rsradvan (at) unixworks.net | infracritical.com | ehealthgrid.com (630) 673-7740 | (412) 774-0373 (fax) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Gucinski [mailto:gucinski () gmail com] To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: MS in information security
Hi- I earned my MS-Information Assurance from Iowa State University this past May. It was a great experience straight out of undergrad and many companies I interviewed with were highly impressed. We also had a number of people that had been in industry looking to make the switch to InfoSec, as it appears you are. To my knowledge, no university currently offers a PhD in InfoSec.
** Actually, I've found a few. There are quite a number of programs with the title "information security management", "information assurance", "information security assurance", etc. Here are a few that offer Ph.D degrees specifically for "information security" (location and URL for the program is provided): ** George Washington University, Washington, D.C. (and it's a Doctorate in Research Science, "D.Sc") CURRICULUM: Information Security Management URL: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~jjchryan/dsc.html ** Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, CA Center for Information Systems Security Studies (CISR) (Doctoral specializing in Information Assurance and Security) CURRICULUM: Computer Science with a strong emphasis on ISM URL: http://cisr.nps.navy.mil/downloads/04paper_ISdoc.pdf ** DePaul University, Chicago, IL (Network Security Graduate Program) URL: http://ipd.cti.depaul.edu/NSPbrochure.pdf ** DePaul University, Chicago, IL (Information Systems Security and Management Program) URL: http://ipd.cti.depaul.edu/ISSMPbrochure.pdf
I will recommend that you evaluate each of the programs that you are considering carefully; the curricula vary greatly from school to school, even among the NSA Centers of Excellence. Some of the programs seem (to put it bluntly) pretty crappy while others can be highly specialized in your particular interests.
** The impression that I get is that "information security" or "information assurance" or some combination thereof, is mixed with some other "information management" or "computer science" curriculum, with a strong emphasis on security, cryptography, et. al. ** National Defense University works with folks, both military pesonnel and "private sector" folks in the Washington, D.C. area. I have a contact there that might be able to shed a little bit of light on the subject matter. He was my mentor from 15-17 years ago at Cal Poly in SoCal when I had studied Business and Computer Information Systems, and is one of the tenured professors teaching as part of the IRM curriculum at NDU. Good school -- I'd highly recommend it if you can attend. ** URL about the IRM curriculum: http://www.ndu.edu/catalog/irmc2body.htm http://www.ndu.edu/IRMC/news/IRMC_Catalog2005.pdf ** According to the National Defense University's Information Resource Management (IRM) web site, here's a list of partnerships that NDU has throughout the nation that offer both forms of graduate studies (I'm guessing both Masters and Doctorate): ** URL: http://www.ndu.edu/irmc/ (main page for IRM @ NDU) ** URL: http://www.ndu.edu/irmc/partnerships/ Advanced Management Program, CIO Certificate, Information Assurance Certificate Program, Enterprise Architecture Certificate Program, and Organizational Transformation Certificate Program graduates can apply nine to fifteen graduate hours toward selected Master's and Doctoral degree programs at several regionally accredited partner institutions. The institutions, their web site, applicable degree programs, and point of contact information are provided below. Application of graduate credits to specific degree requirements varies with each institution. The web site for the institution provides general information on the degree program; however, you should contact the representative for specific details relating to transfer of credits and admission requirements. Individuals participating in DoD's Information Assurance Scholarship Program may select only those programs annotated with "IASP qualified." The IRM College actively seeks to develop new academic partnerships in response to student and institutional requests. Please contact Ms. Patty Coopersmith at coopersmithp () ndu edu or Dr. Brenda Roth at rothb () ndu edu for more information about IRMC partnerships. IRM College MOU Graduate Degree Matrix University Degrees Available per MOU Capitol College Graduate School VA: Tanya Harlee Quantico () capitol-college edu 703-640-7318 MD: Ken Crockett gradschool () capitol-college edu 301-369-2800, x-3025 Master of Science in Information and Telecommunications Systems Management (ITSM) (37-38 credit hours; traditional and/or on-line classes; credit hours applied to specific courses.) 15 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO certificate graduates. Agreement effective for graduates December 2000 and forward. East Carolina University School of Industry and Technology Biwu Yang yangb () mail ecu edu 252-328-9666 MS in Industrial Technology (MSIT), concentration in Digital Communication Technology (DCT) (36 credit hours; credit hours applied to specific courses; courses available online.) 15 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO certificate graduates. 9 credit hours IA graduates Agreement effective for graduates December 1996 and forward. George Mason University School of Public Policy Kristine McCord, Director of Graduate Admissions spp () gmu edu 703-993-8099 Master of Arts in New Professional Studies: Knowledge Management (36 credit hours; four required courses to be completed with a cohort; classes evenings and/or over weekends.) 15 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO certificate graduates. Agreement effective for graduates December 2001 and forward. School of Information Technology & Engineering Sandy Mayo 703-993-1640 Master of Science in Information Security and Assurance (MSIS) (30 credit hours) (IASP qualified) Master of Science in Information Systems (MSIS) (30 credit hours) (IASP qualified) Master of Science in Software Engineering (MS-SWE) (30 credit hours) (IASP qualified) Doctorate of Philosophy in Information Technology; Doctorate of Philosophy in Computer Science; Doctorate of Philosophy Engineer in Information Technology (number of credit hours for PhD depends on master's degree transferred; credit hours applied towards specific courses.) (IASP qualified) 9 credit hours applied for IA Certification graduates. Agreement effective for graduates December 2000 and forward. School of Information Technology & Engineering Dr. Jeremy E. Allnutt jallnutt () gmu edu 703-993-3810 Master of Science in Telecommunications (30 credit hours; credits applied towards specific courses.) 9 credit hours applied for IA Certification graduates. Agreement effective for graduates December 2000 and forward. James Madison University College of Graduate and Professional Programs Kenneth Bahn bahnkd () jmu edu 540-568-3009 Master of Business Administration, concentration in Information Security (45 credit hours; credits applied towards specific courses; primarily online) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO graduates with IA certification/concentration. 9 credit hours applied for IA Certification graduates. Agreement effective for graduates December 2001 and forward. Department of Computer Science Hossain Heydari heydarmh () jmu edu 540-568-8745 Master of Science in Computer Science (concentration in Information Security) (33 credit hours; credits applied towards specific courses; cohort distance learning) (IASP qualified) 9 credit hours applied for IA Certification graduates. Johns Hopkin University Dr. Gerald Masson masson () jhu edu 410-516-4250 Master of Science in Security Informatics (MSSI) (30 hours; credits applied to specific courses) (IASP qualified) 9 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO graduates with IA certificate/concentration. 9 credit hours applied for IA Certificate graduates. Mississippi State University Bagley College Of Engineering MS in Computer Science (MSC) (20 credit hours required beyond transfer; some courses available online, one year residence required) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours for AMP and CIO graduates who possess IA Certification; 9 credit hours for graduates of IA only. College of Business and Industry POC: David Dampier dampier () CS MsState edu 662-325-8923 MS in Information Systems (MSIS) (15 credit hours required beyond transfer; credit applied to specific courses) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours for AMP and CIO graduates who possess IA Certification; 9 credit hours for graduates of IA only. Will consider doctoral students on a case-by-case basis. Agreement effective for graduates December 2000 and forward. New Mexico Tech Dr. Andrew H. Sung sung () cs nmt edu 505-835-5126 Doctorate of Philosophy in Computer Science (36-42 hours additional required) 9 credit hours applied for IA Certification graduates 15 credit hours applied for CIO graduates Northeastern University Colleges of Computer and Information Science and College of Criminal Justice Agnes Chan ahchan () ccs neu edu 617-373-2464 Master of Information Assurance (additional 24 credits required) 9 credit hours applied for IA Certificate graduates School of Professional and Continuing Studies Todd Leach tleach () neu edu 617-373-2420 Master of Professional Studies in Informatics 9 credit hours applied for IA Certificate graduates 15 credit hours for CIO graduates who possess IA Certification; 9 credit hours for graduates of IA only. Pace University School of Computer Science and Information Systems Susan M. Merritt smerritte () pace edu 212-346-1200 MS in Internet Techology; MS Computer Science; or MS Information Systems (additional 21 credit hours for CIO certificate holders; additional 27 credit hours for IA certificate holders) 15 credit hours for CIO graduates who possess IA Certification; 9 credit hours for graduates of IA only. Polytechnic University Stuart Steele ssteele () rama poly edu 718-260-3357 MS Computer Science (additional 27 credits required) 9 credit hours applied for IA Certificate graduates Syracuse University School of Information Studies Admissions: Kathy Allen kallen02 () syr edu 315-443-4251 General Questions: Scott Bernard sabernar () syr edu 703-532-4243 MS in Information Management, Concentration in Information Assurance (30 credit hours; courses available in D.C., online, or Syracuse) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO certificate graduates; 9 credit hours applied for IA graduates. Agreement effective for graduates December 1993 and forward. Texas A&M University Center for Information Assurance and Security Wei Zhao w-zhao () tamu edu 979-845-9776 MS Computer Science MS Computer Engineering Master of Computer Science Master of Engineering in Computer Engineering PhD Computer Science PhD Computer Engineering MS Electrical Engineering Master of Engineering in Electrical Engineering PhD Electrical Engineering MS in Management and Information Systems PhD in Information and Operations Management (21-24 credits additional for Master's; 52 hours for PhD if Master's was in an approved program, 84 if Master's was not in a related field) (all degrees IASP qualified) Will award 9 credits to IRMC students who complete IA Certificate and possibly more credits for those students who complete the CIO Certificate with the IA concentration Towson University Patricia Beere pbeere () towson edu Master of Science in Applied Information Technology (33 hours; credits applied to specific courses) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO graduates with IA certification/concentration; 12 credit hours for IA Certificate option 2; 9 credit hours applied for IA Certificate option 1 graduates. University of Dallas Graduate School of Management Eva Carwyle ecarwile () gsm udallas edu 972-721-5392 Master of Business Administration, concentration in Information Assurance (MBA/IS) (49 hours; courses available online; credit hours applied to specific courses) (IASP qualified) Master of Management in Information Assurance (31 hours; courses available on-line) (IASP qualified) Master of Science in Information Assurance (31 hours; courses available on-line) 15 credit hours applied for CIO certificate graduates; 9 credit hours applied for IA graduates Agreement effective for graduates December 2001 and forward. University of Maryland, Baltimore County The Graduate School and College of Engineering Alan T. Sherman dralansherman () starpower net 410-455-2666 Master of Science in Computer Science (30-33 credit hours; resident only) (IASP qualified) Doctorate of Philosophy in Computer Science (IASP qualified) 9 credit hours applied for IA Certification graduates. Agreement effective for all CIO with concentration in IA and IA Certification graduates. Will consider PhD candidates on a case-by-case basis. University of Maryland University College Graduate School of Management & Technology Paul Keller pkeller () umuc edu 301-985-4616 General questions: Jim Cronin jcronin () umuc edu 240-684-5153/5151 MS in Computer Systems Management (CSMN) (36-39 credit hours; courses available online; credit hours applied to specific courses) MS in Telecommunications Management (TLMN) (36-39 credit hours; courses available online; credit hours applied to specific courses) 15 credit hours applied for AMP and CIO certificate graduates. Agreement effective for graduates April 1995 and forward. Robert Ouellette rouellette () umuc edu 301-985-7833 MS in Electronic Commerce (credits applied to specific courses) 15 credit hours applied for eGOV certificate graduates. University of Nebraska at Omaha The College of Information Science and Technology Blaine Burnham bburnham () mail unomaha edu 402-554-2039 Master of Science in Management Information Systems (15 credit hours; for AMP and CIO graduates with IA concentration) University of North Carolina at Charlotte Bill Chu billchu () uncc edu 704-687-4568 Master of Science in Information Technology (MSIT) (30 credit hours; residence only) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours for AMP and CIO graduates who possess IA Certification; 9 credit hours for graduates of IA only. Agreement effective for graduates December 2000 and forward. University of Texas at San Antonio Glen Dietrich gdietrich () utsa edu 210-458-5354 Master of Science in Information Technology (concentration in Information Assurance) (33 credit hours) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours for AMP and CIO graduates who possess IA Certification. (9 credit hours for IA graduates) University of Tulsa Center of Information Security Sujeet Shenoi sujeet () euler mcs utulsa edu 918-631-3269 Master of Science in Computer Science (concentration in Information Assurance) (30 credit hours; credit hours applied to specific courses; residence only) (IASP qualified) Doctorate of Philosophy in Computer Science (concentration in Information Assurance) (90 credit hours, which includes 30 credit hours for transfer of master's degree; 45 additional credit hours needed, if prerequisites are met; credit hours applied to specific courses; residence only) (IASP qualified) 15 credit hours for AMP and CIO graduates who possess IA Certification. (9 credit hours for IA graduates) Agreement effective for graduates December 2000 and forward.
If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask either on the list or to my personal address. -Jon Gucinski
** As an aside, I, too, would like to get a Ph.D or D.Sc in Information Security or Information Assurance or Information Security Management, or something similar. The thing is, and what was explained to me, was that, unless you're willing to spend 7-10 more years studying your arse off, and plan on doing research, what would a Doctorate degree get you? To me, having the Ph.D would signify *THE* graetest accomplishment that I could ever achieve (I am the FIRST member of my family to ever have had a Masters Degree in an advanced study, in this case, Computer Science, and was the FIRST member to ever have obtained a Masters Degree...period; 2 other members got a Masters later, but were Liberal Arts related: Poly Sci, the other History). ** My beef about this is this: if you plan on doing an advanced study research project, or want to teach (say at NDU, or GMU, or someplace like that), having a "Ph.D" would help you. BUT...you'd have to be willing to do an awful lot of writing of whitepapers, writing books, etc., not to mention give presentations about your theories and openly discussing with people and government, your ideas and concepts. Would you be willing to do that? ** For example, I have been actively writing on open discussion forums and blogs since 1996, and have had other postings date as far back as 1987. Within the past 3 years, I have been trying to find a need for something more in life that gives me a sense of "purpose and meaning". I was getting VERY tired of being simply labelled as a "systems administrator", even though I've done quite a bit of the other tasks involved within the Information Security realm: risk assessments, pen-tests, disaster recovery and business continuity planning, strategic planning, et. al. One of the caveats that I've found is that once Corporate America labels or brands you as something, you're stuck with that UNTIL you've proven yourself in something else through a positive, yet drastic, method -- say writing a book about Homeland Security (which I did, and will be out sometime in May 2006). Does this make me an "expert" (per se)? Hardly -- just another person who is trying to find a better niche for themselves. Read some of my whitepapers that I've written (http://www.unixworks.com/uw-research.html), if you're interested. These papers are available FREELY for anyone's reading pleasure. ** If that's what you're looking for, then I wish you ALL THE BEST -- more power to you and your efforts. Acquiring a Ph.D in any one of these programs, for that matter, a Ph.D in ANY higher-level study, with an emphasis in Information Security -- would be a "good thing". ** One more thing that you should be aware of -- the "information security industry" is currently undergoing a *change*; that is, there's a convergence of studies in how security is done -- at all levels. Physical, cyber, and policy management security seem to be all converging together into ONE course of study. You might want to look around for topics relating or pertaining to "Homeland Security". Check out something called the "Homeland Security Institute" -- most of the big colleges and universities are now offering courses about this topic -- some are doing it on their own, while most are affiliated with the Homeland Security Institute (which I *think*) is an educational learning center affiliated with the Department fo Homeland Security. Be wary in that some of these "institutes" may or may not be affiliated with DHS's HSI. ** This might be another way for you to get your "Ph.D" in a security-related topic. ;)) ** Good luck! This message will self-destruct in 5 seco... -rad
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Accioly Rosa [mailto:listas.accioly () terra com br] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:12 PM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: MS in information security Hi, I'm currently doing a MSc. in Information Security at the Royal Holloway College, which is part of the University of London. The ISG (Information Security Group) has an enormous reputation and the course is great! The idea of the course is to be a foundation for the infosec professional. So, instead of learning "on the fly" you can stop and organize the concepts in your head, being able to discuss issues from secure application development to ISMS, information security management and its relevance to various industries. It is a 1 year program full time, but also have the option of being 2 years part time, which gives the advantage of combining experience on the market (as you work) and the theoretical foundation. I found this a great way to come back to college and learn a little more. More info at http://www.isg.rhul.ac.uk/. I hope it helps. Daniel Accioly Rosa, CISSP CISA daniel.accioly () terra com br -----Original Message----- From: bob1th () yahoo com [mailto:bob1th () yahoo com] Sent: segunda-feira, 30 de janeiro de 2006 20:52 To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: MS in information security Hello, I noticed that the question of 'CISSP or degree' got a lot of feedbacks and comments. I am also considering more education in order to enter security field. I already have BS degree from good school and working for a IT company working with various applications. However, I have always wanted to be a little bit more technical and be exposed to more research-like environment. Not sure if I want Ph.D., but definitely looking at one of those MS in information security. Georgia Tech and several other reputable universities offer such program. After working almost 2 years in industry, I know that experience is really important and that I can acquire the knowledge myself through many sources although I don't go back to school to do it. On the other hand, the idea of getting higher or specialized education and degree is really appealing. Also, since my current work does not have anything to do with security, getting more education might offer me a better chance of getting in to security field than studying on my own, getting some certs and try to convince companies to believe that I know about security. Any opinions welcome --------------------------------------------------------------------------- EARN A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN INFORMATION ASSURANCE - ONLINE The Norwich University program offers unparalleled Infosec management education and the case study affords you unmatched consulting experience. Tailor your education to your own professional goals with degree customizations including Emergency Management, Business Continuity Planning, Computer Emergency Response Teams, and Digital Investigations. http://www.msia.norwich.edu/secfocus --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/247 - Release Date: 31/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/247 - Release Date: 31/1/2006 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- EARN A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN INFORMATION ASSURANCE - ONLINE The Norwich University program offers unparalleled Infosec management education and the case study affords you unmatched consulting experience. Tailor your education to your own professional goals with degree customizations including Emergency Management, Business Continuity Planning, Computer Emergency Response Teams, and Digital Investigations. http://www.msia.norwich.edu/secfocus --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- EARN A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN INFORMATION ASSURANCE - ONLINE The Norwich University program offers unparalleled Infosec management education and the case study affords you unmatched consulting experience. Tailor your education to your own professional goals with degree customizations including Emergency Management, Business Continuity Planning, Computer Emergency Response Teams, and Digital Investigations. http://www.msia.norwich.edu/secfocus ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- EARN A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN INFORMATION ASSURANCE - ONLINE The Norwich University program offers unparalleled Infosec management education and the case study affords you unmatched consulting experience. Tailor your education to your own professional goals with degree customizations including Emergency Management, Business Continuity Planning, Computer Emergency Response Teams, and Digital Investigations. http://www.msia.norwich.edu/secfocus ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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