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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
From: Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:18:06 -0500
On 27/02/2015 2:50 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:I have to take exception to your example. Water, gas, and to a great extent electrical systems do not work on oversubscription, ie their aggregate capacity meets or exceeds the needs of all their customers peak potential demand, at least from "normal" demand standpoint.Hi Scott, Do you propose that Internet access service should NOT be expected to meet peak "normal" demand? That would certainly make ISP operating models unique among public utilities. Regards, Bill Herrin
I've worked on both data network (Canada's X.25 Datapac) and circuit-switched network provisioning (Nortel's DMS switches, and some of my contributions appear in the ITU-T Orange Book). Circuit-switched provisioning had the useful concept of "grade of service". This meant that you set a target probability of delay or loss for a given load level on the network (Average Busy Season Busy Hour, 10 High Day Busy Hour, separate targets for each and provision to the most binding).
The same general concepts surely apply to IP network provisioning: you know you can't economically serve all the traffic at the absolute peak, but you set reasonable targets, assure yourself by simulation and analysis that your design will meet the target, and build accordingly.
Tom Taylor
Current thread:
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mark Tinka (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Tom Taylor (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality John Levine (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mike Hammett (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality McElearney, Kevin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)