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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality


From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:13:30 +0000

I'll move on. I'm sorry you're not interested in reasonable discussion. 

 -mel beckman

On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:01 PM, "William Herrin" <bill () herrin us> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:
I did not change "whenever I demand it" to "all the time". You're
hand-waving now. I clearly said that users can't all demand their maximum
bandwidth at the same time. That's nothing like "all the time."

Fine. You changed "whenever I demand it" to "at the same time as
everybody else." The change still makes it a straw man argument. You
introduce simultaneity, which you don't substantiate and which is not
present in my statement. That red herring undermines your argument
that doing, "everything reasonably within your power to make sure I
can access the Internet sites of my choice" at full rate is
"infeasible."


Your shower example is perfect. Yes, you can get 120A tankless water heating
for a brief interval. But not "whenever you demand it."

I get it _every_ time I demand it because the local power company has
done a good job with their oversubscription planning. Even with other
households engaged in bathing activity during the morning hours..


You never responded to my "BillsNet" real-world example. Is that a straw-man
argument too?

That would be why I ignored it, yes. Would it make you happy if I pick
it apart piece by piece or do you want to move on?

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com  bill () herrin us
Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>


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