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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:13:30 +0000
I'll move on. I'm sorry you're not interested in reasonable discussion. -mel beckman
On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:01 PM, "William Herrin" <bill () herrin us> wrote:On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote: I did not change "whenever I demand it" to "all the time". You're hand-waving now. I clearly said that users can't all demand their maximum bandwidth at the same time. That's nothing like "all the time."Fine. You changed "whenever I demand it" to "at the same time as everybody else." The change still makes it a straw man argument. You introduce simultaneity, which you don't substantiate and which is not present in my statement. That red herring undermines your argument that doing, "everything reasonably within your power to make sure I can access the Internet sites of my choice" at full rate is "infeasible."Your shower example is perfect. Yes, you can get 120A tankless water heating for a brief interval. But not "whenever you demand it."I get it _every_ time I demand it because the local power company has done a good job with their oversubscription planning. Even with other households engaged in bathing activity during the morning hours..You never responded to my "BillsNet" real-world example. Is that a straw-man argument too?That would be why I ignored it, yes. Would it make you happy if I pick it apart piece by piece or do you want to move on? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
Current thread:
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Tom Taylor (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality John Levine (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mike Hammett (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality McElearney, Kevin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Stephen Satchell (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Adam Rothschild (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Stephen Satchell (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Lamar Owen (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality David Bass (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Fisher (Feb 27)