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Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:08:08 -0800
That may be the rule in Florida, but in DC, MD, and UT (the states in which I've lived in the past 2 decades), you can be be ticketed if you are driving a car and not wearing a seatbelt.
This is true in CA, too. However, the law in CA specifically provides that if you are driving a car first registered before XXX (I don't remember the exact year in which seatbelts became mandatory), you are exempt as the car is not required to have seat belts. There are many other lesser known exceptions to the seatbelt law. These are likely true in those other states as well, but, I confess I haven't done detailed legal research outside of my own state.
To make this a little bit more relevant to our VoIP/911 discussion, would we allow a startup car company to sell something which looked like a seatbelt, but was not crash rated above 5 mph? No, of course we wouldn't. Would that be anticompetitive? No, it just means that to be a startup car company, you have to meet the same safety standards as the existing car companies.
Yes... It is indeed unfortunate that the VOIP providers are choosing to look like telcos, and, more unfortunate that they are providing a service that looks like telephony instead of some of the real possibilities of VOIP.
Why would these arguments not apply to VoIP?
VOIP without 911 is not creating toxic emissions that are harmful to the people around them. VOIP without 911 is simply another form of communication. I haven't heard anyone demanding 911 service for IRC or Email. Why should it apply to VOIP? Just because it's a voice service? 911 service is not a standard feature of many voice appliances availble today. Various two-way radios, for example. VOIP is VOIP. It is _NOT_ the PSTN. It may be that the PSTN loses many of it's customers to VOIP. It may be that the best services available are those that integrate the capabilities of VOIP and the PSTN, but, in the end, it still remains that they are different services and should be subject to different requirements and regulations. Owen -- If it wasn't crypto-signed, it probably didn't come from me.
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- Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance Adi Linden (Apr 01)
- RE: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance Alexander Kiwerski (Apr 01)
- RE: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance Alex Bligh (Apr 01)
- RE: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance Owen DeLong (Apr 01)
- Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance Stephen Sprunk (Apr 01)
- Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance Adi Linden (Apr 01)
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- Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance David Barak (Apr 01)
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