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Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups)
From: der Mouse <mouse () rodents-montreal org>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:03:24 -0400 (EDT)
I now fear that it will take the collapse of the current Internet governance structure to do any good; fixing it is looking less and less likely - less likely for every day that passes with total apparent inaction (total lack of effect, that is, as far as I can see) by the current top of the pyramid.By the top of the pyramid, do you mean IETF or Tier-1 transits? Or large ISPs?
All of the above are examples of failures of self-assumed responsibility. Of those, the closest to what I meant was the IETF, but, as I understand the structure, the IANA or IAB would be more like what I meant. I don't really know the structure of the top of the pyramid. My impression is that the IANA and/or IAB would have to be the entity to impose responsibility when it delegates authority, but ICBW - whom is it the RIRs and domain registrars contract with to get their authority? That's who needs to start imposing responsibility along with authority (and enforcing it, since the delegees don't seem to be accepting it). How that happens is an open question. I don't really expect it to happen at all, honestly, but it could happen if the IANA (or whoever) decides that a functioning net is more important than short-term profit. But I suppose, with the USA Department of Commerce (I think that's who it was) setting themselves up as the next step up, "functioning" probably _means_ "producing short-term profit". /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse () rodents-montreal org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups), (continued)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (wasComcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) rick wesson (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Dan White (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Paul M. Moriarty (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Michael Collins (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)