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Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups)
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:29:34 -0400
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:03:24 EDT, der Mouse said:
I don't really know the structure of the top of the pyramid. My impression is that the IANA and/or IAB would have to be the entity to impose responsibility when it delegates authority, but ICBW - whom is it the RIRs and domain registrars contract with to get their authority?
The IAB has basically zero actual power - about the only thing they have any control over is the IETF. And the IETF doesn't have any power either - they just publish RFCs and hope the marketplace actually uses them. Proof of this: RFC2827 - everybody agrees that ingress/egress filtering is A Good Thing, but far too many sites don't do it... Address space assignments start at the IANA, but they basically farm out an entire /8 at a time to the regional RIR authorities (RIPE in Europe, APNIC in the Pacific Rim, and ARIN in US/North America), who then give out /16's or so to companies. However, they do *NOT*, repeat *NOT* do any sort of policing of what they get used for, other than to check your business plan to verify that yes, you really *will* burn through a /14 in the next 2 years. Something they explicitly do *not* do: Guarantee the space is actually routable. There's a fair amount that's in people's bogon filters from 5-6 years ago and never updated when the /8 was actually put into use, or it's scorched-earth address space that's blocked because it was abused by the previous owner. So you're not going to find any joy at IANA, and I don't expect the RIRs to be able to *do* much of anything either. Your best bet is to convince people to not accept BGP announcements from miscreants. Domain registrations derive from ICANN, which delegates to the registrars. All I'll say here is "these are the people who brought you domain tasting".
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- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (wasComcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) rick wesson (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Dan White (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Paul M. Moriarty (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Michael Collins (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) G. D. Fuego (Oct 20)