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RE: Re[4]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail
From: "Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:19:59 -0500
Cheap rethorical trick: I am obviously not missing the basic point. So cheap it is close to insulting. I guess it is a matter of definition, just as rootkits are.
I think it's an important distinction. Goodmail is not a solution for recipients, it's a solution for senders. It doesn't even claim to address anything to do with mail other than that mail sent using Goodmail. I guess it's just a matter of you not getting the point.
Rest assured that I understand that aspect. As I said, it is a bit like first class mail. Do you disagree with that qualification?
As a matter of fact, no I don't. As opposed to what? Second class mail? The only difference between first and second class mail is the speed of delivery. There are no rules about who can send first class mail, the return address on a first class mail could be misleading and it could arrive unsolicited. Goodmail has nothing in common with first class mail other than the fact that both have an associated cost.
Should I want to send bulk mail to AOL or whoever else uses the system, that's probably what I would use. Some spammer might even want to use it anyway if it is cheap enough compared to the profit they make....
Maybe you think they are a bunch of liars, but Goodmail says they won't sell access to the service to such people (read my column - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1923022,00.asp - it's all in there). If they renege on such policies I doubt AOL and Yahoo would have much patience for them.
Now, the problem is that, unless that particular system is universal, legitimate mail senders will _still_ have to deal with other systems...
This fails as a criticism of Goodmail. Senders only pay for messages sent through systems that do support it.
I currently have significant problems with AOL's dumb filtering. I am not a mass mailer. Let's say I have 25 AOL users...
Goodmail is not meant for you. It's meant for bulk mailers. And in any event, I don't know how much trouble it is to implement the system since I haven't tried it myself. You'd probably do better to fix whatever's wrong with your message that's causing AOL to block it :) Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blog.ziffdavis.com/seltzer Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larryseltzer () ziffdavis com _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail, (continued)
- Re: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Richard Cox (Feb 08)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 08)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Drsolly (Feb 08)
- Re: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail der Mouse (Feb 08)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 08)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 08)
- Re[2]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Pierre Vandevenne (Feb 08)
- RE: Re[2]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 08)
- Re[4]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Pierre Vandevenne (Feb 08)
- Re[4]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Pierre Vandevenne (Feb 08)
- RE: Re[4]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 09)
- Re: Re[4]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 09)
- RE: Re[4]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 09)
- Re[6]: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Pierre Vandevenne (Feb 09)
- Re: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Jeff Kell (Feb 09)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 09)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Richard M. Smith (Feb 09)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Drsolly (Feb 09)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Larry Seltzer (Feb 09)
- Re: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 09)
- RE: Postage Is Due for Companies Sending E-Mail Gary Funck (Feb 09)