RE: tunnel vs open a hole

["Carroll, Shawn" <SCarroll () chittenden com>]

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> From: George Capehart [mailto:capegeo () opengroup org]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
> Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] tunnel vs open a hole
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> On Thursday 10 April 2003 09:07 am, R. DuFresne wrote:
> > It seems that the real power holder in the whole debate is perhaps
> > that identity having been pointed to and referenced more frequently
> To me this all ends up as a governance and accountability 
> issue.  There 
> certainly is enough blame to go around.  This is not an intractable 
> problem.  IMHO, the reason it is not being managed is that no one is 
> being held accountable for not "doing it right."  Why is that?  It is 
> not important.  *That* makes it a governance issue.  How does one get 
> the attention of a Board of Directors?  Good question.  
> Someone/something got Bill Gates' attention . . .
>
> Suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  :>

This is a top-down solution to the problem.  Which is perhaps a necessary component to solving the problem.

To me, there's no reason to believe that a grassroots one isn't a valid, even necessary solution to the problem.

What if coders were taught primarily by other coders, and get in the habit of doing things right, watched closely, and 
corrected.  Like someone who has learned to make fine furniture.  They wouldn't think of using the wrong tool, and are 
generally incapable of producing crap and letting it out the door.  If there were this same ethic with programmers, and 
the same model of training, what do you think the state of software would look like today?

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