Re: Recommendations for web app test?

[<ban.marketing.bs () hushmail com>]

<Insert John Stewart Voice here>
Hmm..let me think...oh yeah I got it, because they are useless...yeah
thats it....because the best prob can find 10% of the holes in an average
web site and even if that was acceptable it too late to find holes when
the app is already built to be economical to fix it.

Oh yeah you dont believe me, go fire em against WebGoat or Hackme Bank
or an app you know has specific holes. Anything (tool) can find mud to
sling, it wether you can find the actual holes that counts !

Jeez what is it with the security community that it thinks it can ignore
the years of experience of development communities in fixing software
and take a totally different approach. Oh yeah its cause thats what you
have been doing for years with OS's....ding ding, bespoke software are
not OS's.....they are all different.

</Insert John Stewart Voice here>

Moderator - My vote is to go back to banning posts about commerial software
as it always turns into a stealthy marketing fest. I used to like this
list because it was opinions. Now its more spin that substance. I am
sure this guy is not the same Ceasar that works for AppSec Inc but sure
would explain the favorite tool! Come on give the world some credit.

End of Post

You have another option, buy a web app scanning tool, why? becuase with
it you can continuosly audity your web application just paying once.
When you hire a company for an auditing after one week/month of the auditing,

 your web application will have changed (web applications are of dynamic
nature) and probably it will have new vulnerabilities, so you will have
to audit again and pay again and so on.

The tool i like most is AppDetective for Web
Applications(www.appsecinc.com)
Or you can go for free tools but they are very limited.

Cesar.
--- Daniel <deeper () gmail com> wrote:

> the first statement sounds like a brave one to make!
>
> ok ill break it down...
>
> what should i be looking for?
> Im gathering this is for the company performing the test? I'd say look

> at a company with a decent track record in application security 
> testing. There are a load of people who have jumped on the app testing

> bandwagon recently, and i personally doubt they have enough knowledge

> to perform an indepth test.
> The company needs to fully understand the application they are testing

> and at the same time do an indepth audit of all components.
>
> what should the auditors be looking for?
> I'd hope they would be using my pentest checklist as a reference
(http://www.owasp.org/documentation/testing/application.html),
> as they
> could always give you it as a reference to what they looked at during

> the test.
> If they are good, they know exactly what to look for
>
> how will you know that they are testing for what you need them to test

> for?
> You need to specify exactly what you want testing.
> If necessary, use
> the pentest checklist from above and say you want all area's covered
>
> what is a good price range?
> I can only speak for UK prices, but around the 1000 to 1500UKP range

> per day is common.
> For your setup, i think 5 days is more than enough and should allow

> the team testing it to funny understand the applications and find 
> issues.
>
> As for security companies i'd recommend; (no this isnt a pro vendor

> thing, its people i know who have the skillset and can do the job
> right)
>
> - Foundstone
> - @stake
> - Sensepost
> - Corsaire
> - NGS Software
> - ImmunitySec
>
> Daniel
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:40:16 +0000, App Crawler 
> <appcrawler_8080 () hotmail com> wrote:
> > Well,  we've decided that everything in our
> environment is pretty secure,
> > except for our web applications. So, now we need
> to outsource the security
> > assessment of our web applications. So, my
> question is, what should I be
> > looking for? What should the auditors be looking
> for? How will I know that
> > they are testing for what I need them to test for?
> What is a good price
> > range, based on one e-commerce application, one
> employee intranet
> > application, and one customer portal application?
> Should it be based on the
> > number of forms? Or some other metric? Please
> advise?!?! Thanks.
> >
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