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Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls....
From: <miked () rootdown net>
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:30:54 -0600 (MDT)
I really hate to ruin the conspiracy theories and Microsoft bashing here folks, but I feel I need to inform you of something. I'm not 100% sure on DX9 SDK Beta, but if I remember correctly from the DX8 SDK Beta you were specificly told "DO NOT INSTALL THIS ON PRODUCTION MACHINES". I think that goes for almost every Microsoft Beta. Most legitimate beta sites that consist of more than a few machines have a deticated beta box that gets wiped after the beta is over. EULAs are really irrelevent at this point, every tester is under a Beta contract with Microsoft already that plainly explains they are not responsible for damages, and they have the option of bombing out your beta boxes. Anyone who is a ligitimate beta tester will get the full SDK and DX9 on CD before the betas fully expire. So your not dead in the water even if you loose your connectivity. Just be glad they even warn you ahead of time. -Mike On Tue, 28 May 2002, Blue Boar wrote:
Peter Thoenen wrote:No..it would be a virus if it didn't warn you and you didn't intentially install it. If you don't like what they are doing, don't install it, Bill doesnt' have a gun to your head. Nobody is forcing you and I bet you (IANAL) that it is perfectly legal. This is much the same way the FrontpageXP warns you that by installing it, you give m$ permission to unistall ANY software on your box they wish. Needless to say, I don't agree, so I didn't install it. Nothing illegal about it though, its a TOS agreement.And I think this thread boils down to what can one get away with by telling the victim what you will do to them in the EULA. We're not likely to settle any moral or legal questions on that subject here (unless someone would like to write an essay on the laws of software, ala Asimov's laws of robotics.) Right now (at least in the US), the assumption is that if it's not otherwise illegal, you can require it in a EULA. So, my license probably couldn't require you to perform sexual acts, because that would be prostitution. I could require that you come clean my house in a french maid outfit, though. (I won't be having any such clauses in my EULAs, I've seen what some of you people look like.) This will never be settled until there have been some court cases that define what is permissible. If you really want to accelerate the process, write a popular piece of software which license requires that the user remove all Microsoft software from their system, and never use it again. Enforce it programatically. Make a Windows version. BB
Current thread:
- DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... anon (May 27)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Jan Fenner (May 27)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... cami (May 27)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... David J Berube (May 28)
- RE: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Andy Wood (May 28)
- RE: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Chagres Role Account (May 28)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Peter Thoenen (May 28)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Blue Boar (May 28)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... miked (May 28)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Alex Lambert (May 28)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... meijin (May 29)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Knud Erik Højgaard (May 29)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Knud Erik Højgaard (May 29)
- Re: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Zow (May 28)
- RE: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Patrick Harper (May 28)
- RE: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Serge Jorgensen (May 28)
- RE: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Nacho Ruiz® (May 28)
- RE: DirectX 9 SDK, Microsoft have got balls.... Rob Shein (May 28)