RE: Civil Disobedience

["br0ken halo" <x_burning () hotmail com>]

I meant victimless as in the comparison to murders, or terrorists. Hackers 
do *not*, repeat *do not* kill people. Terrorists do.

Yes, you have a valid point, privacy is something to be respected. Back to 
the point of the discussion - hackers/crackers/script kiddies/virii 
writers/worm writers *all the 'nasties' of the internet* are *not* killers. 
They do not belong in federal prison. Yes they are 'cyber criminals', and 
yes they do violate privacy.

Not everyone brought in this world has the best intentions and wants to 
'live and let live.' Thus we have criminals. In a perfect world we wouldn't 
need computer security because everyone would respect each others right to 
privacy. That just isn't the case - so if your a sysadmin, and you don't 
take the right steps to secure your computing enviroment, and you get owned, 
then well, either your in the wrong business or you should have done a 
better job. Thats how the world is.
I wish it wasn't like that - even so, i still can't justify sending a kid to 
federal prison (even if for a short lil' visit with mr. bubba)

-- James

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----Original Message Follows----
From: Rick Koenig <rk4028 () exchange concordia edu>
To: 'br0ken halo' <x_burning () hotmail com>
Subject: RE: Civil Disobedience
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:11:34 -0500

I know that this is a very touchy subject and is one that will be debated
for years to come.  Which is why I will only make one comment.  To say that
hacking is a "victimless crime" is absolutely absurd, whether its defacing
or something a seemingly innocent as looking at information.  The bottom
line is that there is a victim whose basic rights to privacy are violated.
And peoples right to privacy must be protected, at all costs.  Or else what
are we fighting so hard to preserve?  And every hack or attempted hack is a
direct attack on an individuals/ organizations right to privacy.  Would you
like somebody looking through your wallet or worse yet searching your home.
I think not and its because you value your privacy.  I will never understand
why we have to distinguish between electronic and physical privacy.  There
is no distinction privacy (to a certain extent) is our right and it must be
protected, at all costs.  And those that are opposed to this bill need to
take a long look at why they are opposed. It can't be because one of your
basic freedoms have been taken away.  It's probably because you are actually
scared about the consequences you'll face if you get caught.  If that's the
case then the LAW has done its job.

Rick Koenig, CCNA, CCAI
Network Engineer
Concordia University @ Austin
 (Office) 512.486.1170
(Cell) 512.771-6570
(Fax) 512.302.5856



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