RE: Civil Disobedience

["Hire, Ejay" <Ejay.Hire () Broadslate net>]

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Unless you count the battered and brruised body of the otherwise
unknowing Sysadmin that gets eaten alive by his boss and his boss and
his boss and his boss and his boss and his boss and a VP and the CEO
and the CFO and the CIO and the ...

Eh

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From: TD - Sales International Holland B.V. [mailto:td () salesint com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:27 AM
To: Joe Shaw; Hire, Ejay
Cc: 'br0ken halo'; vuln-dev () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience


I think this person ment victimless in the sense of body count (thus
no 
dead/injured/otherwise fysical damaged people/animals)

regards

On Tuesday 16 October 2001 03:31, Joe Shaw stuffed this into my
mailbox:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Hire, Ejay wrote:
> > Don't you think "hacking is a victimless crime" is a bit soft?  I
> > agree it doesn't merit life inprisonment, but it still has an
> > impact on its' victims.
>
> Crackin is never a victimless crime.  Someone owns the compromised
> systems.  I've personally spent more time restoring/securing
> systems after a compromise because people didn't implement adequate
> security measures than I'd ever want to.
>
> Yours in freedom and liberty,
> --
> Joseph W. Shaw II
> Network Security Specialist/CCNA
> Unemployed.  Will hack for food.  God Bless.
> Apparently I'm overqualified but undereducated to be employed.

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