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Re: [Bleeding-sigs] RE: What's up with Snort's license?
From: Matt Jonkman <jonkman () bleedingthreats net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:46:38 +1000
I'm in, and I think that'd be an excellent way to get us all on the same page. Great idea Alan. Matt Alan Shimel wrote:
Hopefully this will not bounce, as I registered this email address on the list. With all of the back and forth regarding these issues I would like to invite Marty, Matt Jonkman, Victor and maybe some of the other folks who have written to appear on my podcast that I do weekly. We can do it with either with live call ins for questions or have people submit their questions. I think it will be a great chance to clear the air and give everyone their say and then hopefully put these issues to bed once and for all. Marty, Matt, Victor, et al, what do you say? Would you be willing to get on a panel and discuss these issues? Let me know alan StillSecure Alan Shimel Chief Strategy Officer O 303.381.3815 C 516.857.7409 F 303.381.3881 <http://feeds.feedburner.com/StillsecureAfterAllTheseYears> StillSecure, After All These Years <http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/StillsecureAfterAllTheseYears/~6/1> www.stillsecure.com <http://www.stillsecure.com> /The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential material. Review or other use of this information by persons other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you've received this in error, please contact the sender and delete from any computer./ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* snort-users-bounces () lists sourceforge net [mailto:snort-users-bounces () lists sourceforge net] *On Behalf Of *Matt Jonkman *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:48 PM *To:* Martin Roesch; Snort Users *Cc:* Bleeding Sigs *Subject:* [Snort-users] [Bleeding-sigs] RE: What's up with Snort's license? Appreciate the reply Marty. I'm the person who said you'd slipped this in on a Friday before a long weekend. I mentioned that because that's what happened the last time SF did something and then didn't communicate with the community for weeks afterwards. 3.0 license release I think it was maybe? I forget. But had someone mentioned that you had to do this in a rush because of outside factors we'd have known different.... And that time, and the time before, (and probably the time before that IIRC) you said SF was in the wrong by not putting out a note that something was changing right away, or even that you had to do something and would be explaining it shortly. When SF goes into a communication blackout it's quite obvious. The "I'm too busy" thing frankly doesn't sound plausible. Over two weeks is more than enough time for anyone to send out an email that says "We're aware of the situation, we'll update you shortly". If you were spending the time waiting for legal review then say so. And let us know up front that's what we're waiting for. Otherwise you just foment the conspiracy theories and undermine the corporate confidence that snort will remain stable and community oriented. But I think we've had this conversation before, so I won't beat the dead horse any longer. I haven't a problem with you protecting code and your rights, but the willy-nilly changing of others copyright is not something that should happen by accident. That's not like changing the colors on a website, that's sacred ground. Rushing through that was a huge hit to trust. So my questions: Will the coders that have more than trivial portions of code in snort be receiving a proportional chunk of the money you make when on relicensing Snort under the commercial license? Future and historical contracts? That seems a fair thing to do, unless you intend to buy out their copyright? That'd be fair as well. But in protecting the authors of Snort (yourself and others), you've got to consider all of them when the money flows. If they're not to be reimbursed under your relicensing revenue, do they then also have the right to sell snort under a commercial license of their own? Why's CVS down still? Why was it down in the first place? Have you had the time now to identify exactly what issues in GPLv3 are an issue for SF? I've seen talk of the patent prohibition stuff as being a possible issue. Is that what's a concern for SF? To be clear: I do appreciate your stewardship of Snort. Better communication would not put so many into a default hostile and suspicious stance. Matt-----Original Message----- From: snort-users-bounces () lists sourceforge net [mailto:snort-users-bounces () lists sourceforge net] On Behalf Of Martin Roesch Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:49 AM To: Snort Users Subject: [Snort-users] What's up with Snort's license?Hi everyone, I posted this message on my blog a few minutes ago, please read it and let me know what you think if you're interested in Snort licensing issues.
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- Re: What's up with Snort's license? (Answer rollup) Martin Roesch (Jul 19)
- Re: What's up with Snort's license? (Answer rollup) Alan Shimel (Jul 19)
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- Re: [Bleeding-sigs] RE: What's up with Snort'slicense? Alan Shimel (Jul 19)
- Re: [Bleeding-sigs] RE: What's up with Snort'slicense? Victor Julien (Jul 20)
- Re: [Bleeding-sigs] RE: What's up with Snort'slicense? Alan Shimel (Jul 20)
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