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Re: [PEN-TEST] Datacenter Wiring


From: Frank Knobbe <FKnobbe () KNOBBEITS COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:42:15 -0500

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I've been using a 'special' (well, self crimped) cable that snoops,
but does not leak. I've come across one network where it didn't work
(probably hub/switch type issue), but worked every else (I haven't
tested that many sites, though). Here is my pinout:

LAN       Sniffer
1 -----\    /-- 1
2 ---\ |    \-- 2
3 ---+-*------- 3
4 -  |        - 4
5 -  |        - 5
6 ---*--------  6
7 -           - 7
8 -           - 8

Basically, 1 and 2 on the sniffer side are connected, 3 and 6
straight through to the LAN. 1 and 2 on the LAN side connect to 3 and
6 respectively. This fakes a link on both ends but only allows
traffic from the LAN to the sniffer. My NIC is a 3Com 10/100 PCCard,
your mileage may vary.

There might be a problem with feedback on certain hubs/switches, but
most should recognize their own MAC address and discard the packets.

Regards,
Frank


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Delafontaine [mailto:andre.delafontaine () ECHOSTAR COM]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:31 PM
To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM
Subject: Re: [PEN-TEST] Datacenter Wiring


JLJ wrote:

The attached snooping device doesn't need to talk, only
listen.  If it can
be quiet, it need not reveal its MAC address, and hence not
reveal its
presence on the line.  I have read that old style AUI cards
have a separate
"transmit" pair that can be clipped...I am sure that a
suitable device could
be constructed, including wireless LAN equipment with me on
the receiving
end a few buildings away.


I had a talk with Marcus Ranum a while back on this exact topic
with NICs using TP.

My proposed method was to cut one of the sending wires, although
this only works with NICs that don't require a link on the send
side, although one could hook up the send wires to a different,
unused hub just to create a link signal.

His method was to insert a diode (the right way, whichever
way that is)
in one of the send wires so that the NIC still sees link but
isn't able
to send anything.

I'm trying to find some time to try this out and I'm more than
interested in getting feedback on other people's experiences, in
particular what happens on 100BT cards.


Andre
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