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Re: Socat
From: Fyodor <fyodor () insecure org>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:39:27 -0700
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 08:17:54PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
More like sitting in a wheelchair and building surfboards for no-one in particular. True. Student projects tend to lean somewhat toward intellectual masturbation. Let's just hope they don't get carried away with their own cleverness.
Just because you don't like to surf, doesn't make surfboards useless. Sorry for continuing the bad analogy, but the programs are _at least_ ones that *I* would like to use, if no one else. I spent the summer of 1997 at Johns Hopkins University, and gave myself a summer project: write a new and improved port scanner to extend and reinterpret the excellent but aging and barely maintained strobe. You may call that intellectual masturbation or getting carried away with my own cleverness if you like, but I think the Nmap project has turned out pretty well. I wrote Nmap to suit my own needs, and was glad that other people found it useful as well. In the same way, my proposals for the Nmap SoC projects are what I would like to see and use. And judging by the hundreds of applications for 5-10 sponsorship slots, many other people are excited about the prospect as well. Just because a project doesn't push all of your buttons, doesn't make it useless.
Something worth while would be write a testing engine for vulnerabilities to serially try various exploits on a wide range of hosts.
And you were so worried that the revised Netcat would be abused by script kiddies??! You declared that "spending quality coding time so that juvenile idiots ... have a means of quickly doing something non-constructive and possibly illegal is not my idea of fun." But seriously -- student absolutely do not need to go by my proposals. They can (and some have) propose something totally new or a major modification of one of these proposals. And if I think the proposal rocks, I'll try to get it sponsored. You need to be a student for this particular opportunity, and the app deadline has passed, but if there is something someone really wants to see ... send me (or nmap-dev) a detailed proposal! If it looks good, I'll run it by the applicants and see if any are interested. I probably will add at least a couple more projects, if I can think them up. But it will have to be in the next few days, as the acceptance deadline is next Friday. Remember the major limitations though: it has to be doable by 1 talented student in 2 months. And I try to propose things that can be mostly done outside of Nmap's core source code, 'cause having 10 people all trying to hack the Nmap innards would be a mess. Yet it still has to be somewhat Nmap related. Cheers, Fyodor _______________________________________________ Sent through the nmap-dev mailing list http://cgi.insecure.org/mailman/listinfo/nmap-dev
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- Re: What would we want in a new Netcat/Hping? Chuck (Jun 15)
- Re: What would we want in a new Netcat/Hping? Fyodor (Jun 15)
- Re: What would we want in a new Netcat/Hping? Chuck (Jun 15)
- Re: What would we want in a new Netcat/Hping? Fyodor (Jun 15)
- Re: What would we want in a new Netcat/Hping? Martin Mačok (Jun 16)
- Re: What would we want in a new Netcat/Hping? Chuck (Jun 15)
- Re: Socat Martin Mačok (Jun 17)