RE: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+dodobrow=cisco.com () nanog org> On Behalf Of VOLKAN SALIH
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 7:59 PM
To: Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>
Cc: nanog list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?


word salad?

example; russia decided that they are powerful enough, they are not now eating UA. They will never stop, coz Thats how 
world wars start.

Now big network operators decided that they can destroy small competitors by mergers, acquitions, restrictive or "NO" 
peering policies.. and ofc price wars. You can think that We talk Network operators aspect of world war in 
telecommunications.

example; some tier-1 acquires some tier-2. and  FCC withdraws net neutrality rules. IMO; you all are done, as you 
accepted their decisions and didnt question them?!.. If i were in your country i would send you best calculator 
available on stores for your HAPPINESS!

and you tell me to shut up! I didnt not. IMO, Everyone understood me. Competition is good. Even if hungry people like 
you thinks BAD for just yourself.

byé byé


29.09.2023 20:50 tarihinde Tom Beecher yazdı:
word salad

None of this has anything to do with why the IPv4 /24 limit is what it is.

Good luck with your endeavors, whatever they may be.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:46 PM VOLKAN SALİH <volkan.salih.06 () gmail com<mailto:volkan.salih.06 () gmail com>> wrote:

thanks for your response. Honestly thanks for everyones reponses.

comunism is the future. IMO.

tier-1 network count is decreasing. competition is always good. while monopoly, duopoly, triopoly is not.. I dream an 
earth with 1000 tier-1 networks..

capitalism give people more money than they can spend in their lifetime with their families, but it doesnt give people 
happiness and health..

for example, if i were level3 or telia CEO or should I have been major stakeholder? I would like to see 50 or 1000 more 
tier-1 networks competing with us.

Money is not everything. After some time capitalist bourgeois realize that they could not "earn" health or happiness 
and start spending their pennies to charities,

because if we wouldnt believe heaven and hell and purgatory, what else we could believe? Should we believe that after 
death nothing left from the earth, we worked for nothing, we laughed for nothing, we cried for nothing, and we married 
for nothing?

NOPE.

Everyone is equal, in the god's/lord's/creator's vision. You need to work on comunism instead of capitalism..

I do not care what CFO/CTO/CEO/CXO thinks! they are more miserable than me..! I am healthy and happy. They are not. 
They can not be. I just expressed my opinions, finalized them with a bad joke. ;D

You can continue your feasibility reports, net profit margin , return of investment calculations, but the god doesnt 
care IMO, and you will not care after you are 70-80 years.old.

Best regards and wishes for you all

I guess i made myself clear.

Development is the only way. in all aspects.
29.09.2023 20:31 tarihinde Matthew Petach yazdı:


On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 9:42 AM VOLKAN SALİH <volkan.salih.06 () gmail com<mailto:volkan.salih.06 () gmail com>> wrote:

[...]

I presume there would be another 50 big ASNs that belong to CDNs. And I am pretty sure those top 100 networks can 
invest in gear to support /25-/27.

Volkan,

So far, you haven't presented any good financial reason those top 100 networks should spend millions of dollars to 
upgrade their networks just so your /27 can be multihomed.

Sure, they *can* invest in gear to support /25-/27; but they won't, because there's no financial benefit for them to do 
so.

I know from *your* side of the table, it would make your life better if everyone would accept /27 prefixes--multihoming 
for the masses, yay!

Try standing in their shoes for a minute, though.
You need to spend tens of millions of dollars on a multi-year refresh cycle to upgrade hundreds of routers in your 
global backbone, tying up network engineering resources on upgrades that at the end, will bring you exactly $0 in 
additional revenue.

Imagine you're the COO or CTO of a Fortune 500 network, and you're meeting with your CFO to pitch this idea.
You know your CFO is going to ask one question right off the bat "what's the timeframe for us to recoup the cost of
this upgrade?" (hint, he's looking for a number less than 40 months).
If your answer is "well, we're never going to recoup the cost.  It won't bring us any additional customers, it won't 
bring us any additional revenue, and it won't make our existing customers any happier with us.  But it will make it 
easier for some of our smaller compeitors to sign up new customers." I can pretty much guarantee your meeting with the 
CFO will end right there.

If you want networks to do this, you need to figure out a way for it to make financial sense for them to do it.

So far, you haven't presented anything that would make it a win-win scenario for the ISPs and CDNs that would need to 
upgrade to support this.


ON a separate note--NANOG mailing list admins, I'm noting that Vokan's emails just arrived a few minutes ago in my 
gmail inbox.
However,  I saw replies to his messages from others on the list yesterday, a day before they made it to the general 
list.
Is there a backed up queue somewhere in the NANOG list processing that is delaying some messages sent to the list by up 
to a full day?
If not, I'll just blame gmail for selectively delaying portions of NANOG for 18+ hours.   ^_^;

Thanks!

Matt