Re: Advantages and disadvantages of legacy assets

[owen--- via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

It’s recently come to my attention that I must stand partially corrected in what I said below.

Apparently, Tata is rejecting routes that have neither RPKI nor an RIR-based IRR record created after 1993.

This means that virtually all legacy holders who change IRRs or make any of a number of other possible updates to their 
IRR data will be unreachable to single-homed Tata customers (and unable to reach them).

This unfortunate choice by Tata is likely to become a trend in the future, but I figured it would be several more years 
before that happened. In fact, I was hoping it wouldn’t really take shape in a meaningful way until IPv4 lost its 
relevance.

Unfortunately, Tata has decided to take the lead in disconnecting legacy prefix holders and pushing the RIR contract 
agenda.

Owen


> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:25, owen--- via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
>
> The only advantage is not being subject to an RIR contract and not paying annual fees. Especially with the fee 
> structure games ARIN has been playing over the last decade or so.
>
> I made the mistake of bringing my legacy resources under ARIN LRSA contract once upon a time. I ended up transferring 
> them to RIPE Non-Contract in order to get out from under that arrangement.
>
> While you can’t get RPKI without paying annual fees, you can get IRR services, just not from ARIN.
>
> You can use altdb as an IRR for free with legacy space without any issues at all.
>
> It’s unlikely that lack of RPKI will be a significant drawback for the foreseeable future.
>
> Worst case, if need arises, transfer your space to RIPE and make arrangements with a RIPE LIR to “sponsor” your 
> prefixes. This is usually around 70+EU per year to the sponsoring LIR. Prices vary greatly, so be prepared to 
> negotiate.
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 2023, at 10:59, Eric Dugas via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Let's say you inherit legacy assets (ASN & IPv4 netblock), what are the first advantages that come to mind (beside 
> > not having to pay annual fees).
> >
> > Any disadvantages? The ones I can think of is the lack of RIR routing security services (in the ARIN region at 
> > least). No IRR, no RPKI at all.
> >
> > Eric