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Re: PoE, Comcast Modems, and Service Outages


From: Blake Hudson <blake () ispn net>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:41:09 -0500

Generally anything inside the customer premise (including wiring) is the customer’s responsibility. If your coax runs 
across a fluorescent light fixture, that’s on you. If your coax is RG59, it’s on you to replace with RG6 quad shield. 

Maybe the cable operator will work with you, maybe not. I’ve had some techs replace splitters or make custom length 
user cables. 

And yes, the RF stats I mentioned are all on the HFC interface of the cable modem (or the CMTS). Customer facing 
Ethernet stats may not even be tracked by Comcast. 

--Blake 

On Mar 29, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Aaron de Bruyn <aaron () heyaaron com> wrote:


Thanks Blake,

As I understand it all that stuff is on the "cable provider" side of the CPE and (within reason) it's up to the 
provider to deal with the signals arriving on the cable side of the modem.
i.e. if it was a blower or something in our suite that was causing RF interference, the provider might work with us 
to move the modem or the cable run.

-A

On Tue Mar 29, 2022, 09:59 PM GMT, Blake Hudson wrote:

On 3/29/2022 3:24 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
He's got graphs showing it every 24 hours? Liar, liar, pants on fire,
lazy SOB is looking for an excuse to clear you off the line. Where the
heck does this "24 hour" cycle even come from? What SNMP OID is there
for "ghostly PoE build-up"? What crontab is there that would clear out
such buildups in the router's daily run? What capacitor would store up
juice for precisely 24 hours? What's the mechanism here? CURIOUS MINDS
WANT TO KNOW!


Taken at face value, I assume the tech would be looking at historical 
signal graphs (we keep them for cable networks for each CM) that record 
stats like FEC, SNR, and signal strength. For aerial runs it's common to 
see some change throughout the day due to warming and cooling. These 
look like waves with peaks and valleys around 4PM/4AM and generally 
affect all customers in a service area equally. Sometimes there will be 
a device at a customer premise that causes interference with a CM, 
something like a motor or tool. These could absolutely be on a 24hr 
cycle (think of a programmable thermostat kicking on the blower fan in 
your HVAC at the same time every day).

As Joe said, there's no SNMP MIB for PoE buildup. There are well 
documented MIBs for DOCSIS to cover standard signal level, quality, or 
similar. The cause of that signal strength or quality can be myriad. 
This Comcast tech has likely climbed the ladder of inference several 
steps too far.



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