Re: Starlink terminals deployed in Ukraine

[bzs () theworld com]

Further!

Here's a page with about 25 dial-up ISPs in Ukraine:

  https://isp.today/en/list-of-all-services/UKRAINE,toic-14,c-1

If I go to www.ua.net, as one try, they list dial-up services and
prices:

  http://www.ua.net/price/ediup.htm

Looks current.

The point being that dial-up internet is not unknown in Ukraine.

And even if these domestic dial-up services get blocked if the phone
system is still working those people can open and use a non-Ukrainian
dial-up internet account.

Obviously anything there involves some risk.

On March 3, 2022 at 02:10 bzs () theworld com (bzs () theworld com) wrote:
> 1. They don't have to wait or hope for a starlink terminal to arrive.
>
> They just have to dig out an old serial modem or system with one built
> in (they were common), find a phone line which will support that, and
> figure out how to get a dial-up account and use it. Like most of the
> world did ~20 years ago and many still do.
>
> I don't know how many starlink terminals were sent to Ukraine but it's
> probably not millions. Millions might be able to figure out how to
> dial-up though since that's what everyone used not that long ago and
> for all I know many might still use there.
>
> 2. Unless the Russians have control of the phone systems and whatever
> it takes to isolate modem transmissions they can't just "sweep the
> air" like they can for starlink frequencies.
>
> This page (October 5, 2019) claims there are over 12M landlines in
> Ukraine:
>
>   https://www.sidmartinbio.org/how-many-landline-phones-are-there-in-ukraine/
>
> On March 3, 2022 at 17:45 kauer () biplane com au (Karl Auer) wrote:
>  > On Thu, 2022-03-03 at 01:12 -0500, bzs () theworld com wrote:
>  > > If Ukrainians wanted internet access and to get around blocking it'd
>  > > probably be more effective to dig out old serial modems and get PPP
>  > > dial-up accounts outside the country where phone service that will
>  > > support that still exists.
>  > 
>  > How on Earth is that "more effective"?
>  > 
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