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Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?


From: Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:22:41 -0700 (PDT)

----- On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Thomas mike () mtcc com wrote:

Hi,

On 10/18/21 11:09 AM, Sabri Berisha wrote:

The term "network neutrality" was invented by people who want to control
a network owned and paid for by someone else.

Your version of "unreasonable" and my version of "unreasonable" are on the
opposite end of the spectrum. I think it is unreasonable for you to tell me
how to run configure my routers, and you think it is unreasonable for me
to configure my routers that I pay for the way that I want to.

Yeahbut, for the last mile that network is often a monopoly or maybe a
duopoly if you're lucky. If streaming provider 1 pays ISP to give
priority over streaming provider 2 -- maybe by severely rate limiting
provider 2 -- the people who get screwed are end users without a way to
vote with their feet. That sort of monopolistic behavior is bad for end
users. Mostly I want ISP's to be dumb bit providers and stay out of
shady deals that enrich ISP's at my expense. And if it takes regulation
to do that, bring it.

I totally agree. 100%. Now we just have to agree on the regulation that
we're talking about. 

My idea of regulation in this context is to get rid of the monopoly/duopoly
so that users actually do have a way out and can vote with their feet. From
that perspective, the NBN model isn't that bad (not trying to start an NBN
flamewar here).

But, I would be opposed to regulation that prevents a network operator from 
going into enable mode.

There are more reasons than "government intervention into a privately owned
network" / "network neutrality" to want more competition. Lower prices and
better service, for example. Have you ever tried calling Comcast/Spectrum?

I'd love to get involved (privately, not professionally) in a municipal
broadband project where I live. We have 1 fiber duct for the entire town.
That got cut last year, and literally everyone was without internet access
for many hours. We don't need net neutrality. We need competition. The FCC
sucks, and so does the CPUC.

Thanks,

Sabri





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