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Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?
From: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:05:58 -0700
On 10/18/21 1:51 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
I know that there are a lot of risks with hamfisted gubbermintregulations. But even when StarLink turns the sky into perpetual daylight and we get another provider, there are going to still be painfully few choices, and too often the response to $EVIL is not "oh great, more customers for us!" but "oh great, let's do that too!".That's the point where MBAs take over from engineering to squeeze every last penny out of the customer. And that usually happens when a company gets large.
So what's the counter? I mean, MSO's already pull that kind of shitty behavior with their "fees" cloaked as taxes.
Maybe a better argument is that this is all theoretical since to my knowledge it's not being done on any large scale, so let's not fix theoretical problems.
This is obviously complicated and one of the complications is QoS in the last mile. DOCSIS has a lot of QoS machinery so that MSO's could get CBR like flows for voice back in the day. I'm not sure whether this ever got deployed because as is often the case, brute force and ignorance (ie, make the wire faster) wins, mooting the need. Is there even a constructive use of QoS in the last mile these days that isn't niche? Maybe gaming? Would any sizable set of customers buy it if it were offered?It's been a few years since I've worked for a residential service provider, but to the best of my memory, congestion was rarely found in the last mile.
That's what I figured. I remember talking to some Sprint architect types around the same time when I told them all of their insistence on AAL2 was useless because voice was going to be drop in the bucket. They looked at me as if I was completely insane.
Mike
Current thread:
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?, (continued)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Matthew Petach (Oct 16)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Masataka Ohta (Oct 17)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 17)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Masataka Ohta (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Michael Thomas (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Mike Hammett (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Michael Thomas (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Michael Thomas (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Matthew Petach (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? William Herrin (Oct 09)
- RE: DNS pulling BGP routes? Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Oct 07)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Bill Woodcock (Oct 07)
- RE: DNS pulling BGP routes? Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Oct 07)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Owen DeLong via NANOG (Oct 10)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Masataka Ohta (Oct 11)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Matthew Petach (Oct 06)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 06)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Jon Lewis (Oct 06)