Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

[Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>]

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:56 AM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:

> But, I certainly mean that CDN operators should not request
> > peering directly to access/retail ISPs merely because they have
> > their own transit, because the transit is not at all neutral.
>
> I'm still confused.
>
> Let's say I have a CDN network, with a datacenter somewhere, an edge site
> somewhere else. I carry my bits from my datacenter, across my internal
> network, to my edge site. This is where I intend to hand the bits over to
> someone else to carry them to the end user.
>
> Let's say in this site, I have a paid transit connection , and a peering
> session directly with the end user's ISP. Where is anything related to
> neutrality being 'violated', regardless of which path I choose to send the
> bits out?
It sounds like masataka is saying that the network between your
'datacenter' and 'cdn node' is a 'transit network'.
I think 'transit network' is a sentence fragment much like: "bgp peer" ..
it's overloaded (in this conversation at least)
so probably some more clarity is required in the conversation to progress
in a meaningful manner.


> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:36 AM Masataka Ohta <
> mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp> wrote:
>
> > Tom Beecher wrote:
> >
> > > > For network neutrality, backbone providers *MUST* be neutral
> > > > for contents they carry.
> > > >
> > > > However, CDN providers having their own backbone are using
> > > > their backbone for contents they prefer, which is *NOT*
> > > > neutral at all.
> > > >
> > > > As such, access/retail providers may pay for peering with
> > > > neutral backbone providers for their customers but should
> > > > reject direct peering request from, actively behaving against
> > > > neutrality, CDN providers.
> >
> > > If I am understanding you correctly, are you arguing that anyone with a
> > > network MUST be forced to become a transit provider for anyone else, in
> > the
> > > name of "neutrality"?
> >
> > No, not at all.
> >
> > For example, CDN (N stands for a network) operators may rely on
> > neutral transit providers to connect their CDN to access/retail
> > providers.
> >
> > But, I certainly mean that CDN operators should not request
> > peering directly to access/retail ISPs merely because they have
> > their own transit, because the transit is not at all neutral.
> >
> >                                         Masataka Ohta