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Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study


From: Mark Foster <blakjak () blakjak net>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300


On 3/01/2021 2:41 am, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Sean Donelan wrote:

the Commission shall complete an
inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency
Alert System to enable or improve alerts to consumers provided
through the internet, including through streaming services.

It is trivially easy to have a dedicated UDP port to receive
broadcast packets for such purposes, as "through streaming
services" is not the requirement.

but "including" is...

And I don't see that opening up a UDP port on every end-user device to receive some sort of broadcast (unicast?) is going to be great security. Someone will find away to exploit it.



As streaming services are often offered from distant places
including foreign locations, generations of emergency alert
packets *MUST* be responsibility of *LOCAL* ISPs.

A problem is that home routers may filter the broadcast
packets from ISPs, but the routers may be upgraded or
some device to snoop the alert packets may be placed between
ISPs and the routers.

I think you're overthinking this.

In my mind it's simple.  The streaming companies need to have a channel within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active customer' (emergency popup notification that appears when their app is open or their website is active with an authenticated user).  The streaming company will also know the location of their customer (billing information) so will know what geographic locations are relevant to that customer.

Local Authorities can feed emergency broadcast information to the streaming companies tagged with a geolocation and the streaming company will only rebroadcast it to those customers who are interested in that geolocation.

Providing for network-layer alerts of this nature is overcomplicated and unnecessary - as was pointed out there are existing means to do this (cellphone emergency broadcasts, weather radio service, etc) and the intent appears to be to simply add another channel for those who might not be able to receive the other. Asking the likes of Netflix to be able to channel an brief emergency notifcation across a relevantly-located customers streaming service doesn't actually seem that complex, and because it's all 'in band' it requires no specific intervention from the underlying network operator.

Mark.


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