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Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation
From: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:37:58 -0300
I really, really don't want to upset Mel more than he already is, but Owen shared a link with an actual order of the court. After "consideration of the affidavit" the court allowed "up to" $50 million to be frozen. Whatever the merits of the affidavit are, it indicates that the court looked at the facts, made a determination and based on that ordered the asset freeze. That sounds like a (preliminary) ruling to me.
It has not. It's just an assessment that the assets involved can be valued at that amount.
I don't necessarily agree with it due to the implications it has on African internet operations, and, as Mark rightfully brought up, all the employment that depends on it, but I have to respect it.
No need to agree or disagree with a court that hasn't made a decision on this yet. And when a decision comes out some will agree, others will disagree, and that will also be sorted out.
And don't get me wrong: I am not informed enough as to the dispute itself so I'm unable to form an opinion on who is right and who is wrong here. People whom I deeply respect on this list are on opposite sides so that adds to the confusion. I am, however, concerned with the operational implications. That's why I donated to the keep-Afrinic-alive-fund.
There is another operational implication if RIRs are unable to enforce deviations from the information provided when a resource holder applied for them. Regardless of whether the business model is good or bad, I don't see that party proving that they told AfriNIC at application time of the usage they really did of the resources. But if RIRs are unable to enforce those, they become book-keepers instead of RIRs. All IPv4 allocation could be done with a single shared spreadsheet for the whole world.
I've ran an RBL for years, which many people used. It closed down more than a decade ago. Out of 100 DNS queries I logged just now with a quick tcpdump on one of my three DNS servers, I counted 51 for rbl.cluecentral.net. That's why I'm advocating to reconsider your carpet-bombing (filter into oblivion) recommendation. People don't remove them.
I understand the risk, but when choosing between that risk and the systemic risk for the RIR system, the choice for me is very clear. Kinda like removing a malignant tumor. Rubens
Current thread:
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation, (continued)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Noah (Aug 31)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Rubens Kuhl (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Sabri Berisha (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Tom Beecher (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Rubens Kuhl (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Sabri Berisha (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Noah (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation John Levine (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Masataka Ohta (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Martin Hannigan (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Rubens Kuhl (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Martin Hannigan (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 27)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Bill Woodcock (Aug 27)