Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

Hrm, I got the impression from the OP that they're constructing a new network and contemplating lighting a single pair 
for telemetry and whole cable breaks.

I did not get the impression that they were getting strands from someone else and lighting it for sale to customers.



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Mike Hammett
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mel Beckman" <mel () beckman org>
To: "James Jun" <james.jun () towardex com>
Cc: nanog () nanog org
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:55:51 PM
Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions

My understanding is that the OP wants to put the equipment on the fiber that he leases from a supplier. That’s the 
question

-mel via cell

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 2:38 PM, James Jun <james.jun () towardex com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 08:10:44PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote:
> > I???m not talking about a full-time engineer for the life of the network, just for designing the infrastructure 
> > management before first customer light.
> >
> > -mel via cell
>
> Dude, it's dark fiber.
>
> I for one, do _NOT_ in any shape or form, want my DF provider to put any equipment (monitoring, or otherwise) on 
> strands I lease, period.  I just want
> tubes in the ground, end of story.  This is certainly not an airplane and does not need a pilot.  It's passive tubes 
> sitting on right of way and customer
> is licensed to pass light thru that passive tube.  Everything else is extra, and I want no active service whatsoever 
> (besides for power capacity at
> regen plant colo).
>
> If there is a disturbance event that creates LOS alarm on customer equipment, they will call in and open a ticket to 
> begin troubleshooting.
>
> Name me one dark fiber provider in northeast that (unless you buy their managed dark fiber solution) will monitor 
> your fiber strands and the customer
> light for you.  I can tell you, major fiber providers in northeast are all the same:  the customer is the monitoring 
> system.  If fiber is down, customers
> call in.  In fact, I can't recount how many times I've had dealing with a large fiber provider here (unnamed to 
> protect the guilty) who also requests
> and asks customers to shoot OTDR for them.
>
> Generally speaking, dark fiber providers who also compete with their customers (e.g. fiber provider that sells lit 
> services) have tendency to react
> faster to certain fiber cuts on certain routes, if their backbone links are sitting in them.  But for specialty dark 
> fiber providers who only sell dark,
> it's not a bad idea to light one of the strands for internal continuity checks; but at worst case scenario, when a 
> customer calls in to report an LOS
> alarm and suspects fiber disturbance, that's usually enough information to start sending your crews out and begin 
> taking traces.
>
> James