Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions

[Austin Kelly <auskelly () hotmail com>]

Hello,

I saw someone mentioned the ADVA ALM unit and I would agree that it is a great system to use. Just as another option 
you could check out the NTest Fiberwatch product as well:

http://www.ntestinc.com/fiberwatch/


Austin K.
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Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions


without pilots... or a maintenance manager!

Speaking of which, seeing this kind of question, from a VP at a company in the submarine cable business, would sure 
make me leery of leasing fiber from them, if there's an alternative.  Now, one would not necessarily expect a VP of 
Business Development to know all the details of network management - but seems to me that he's basically advertising 
that he's learned about cable breaks from irate customers, rather than being forewarned by his operations team that 
"you're about to get a bunch of irate calls."

Heck, back in the old days (I was at BBN designing network management for the original Defense Data Network) - we knew 
how to instrument our networks, and design for redundancy & diverse routing.  Boy did we have egg on our face when a 
backhoe took out all the connectivity to the Northeast.  We detected the outage just fine - but we (and lots of other 
folks) were all caught short to discover that AT&T Long Lines routed all of our "redundant" circuits through the SAME 
fiber bundle.  I expect there are others here who remember that debacle.

Miles Fidelman

On 6/8/20 2:29 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
It sounds like you don’t have an experienced fiber optic network engineer on the project yet. There is much more to 
facilities monitoring then just checking for disruption. I recommend that you either retain a consulting engineer or 
employ one during development. I’m sure operators here are happy to share their ideas, but you will need some expertise 
in fiber infrastructure to make intelligent decisions about optics, wavelengths, in-band versus out-of-band 
administration, and a slew of other topics.

Doing this without experienced engineering help is like starting an airline without pilots :-)

-mel via cell

On Jun 8, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Rod Beck <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com><mailto:rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com> 
wrote:


Hi,

My colleague and I may be running a new dark fiber network in the Northeast.

We need an outsourced NOC to monitor for fiber cuts and serve as a contact point for customers.

Am I wrong in believing that there should be a way of lighting a single pair in the cable and then monitoring it for 
signal disruption? It is not a perfect solution, but arguably better than learning that the cable has been damaged from 
an irate customer.

Best to take any replies off the message board.

Thanks.

Regards,

Roderick.




Roderick Beck

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